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[2021-9-02. : 3:46 pm]  Vrael -- or maybe just not let amazon host their websites or facebook publish their shit[2021-9-02. : 3:46 pm]  Oh_Man -- We need a 2 pronged approach deconverting ppl like uv at the community lvl and for those bigger misinformation companies hmmm what about drone strikes?[2021-9-02. : 3:45 pm] Vrael -- Whaaaaat? There's no "mind control" serum lol but the 5G reception is great you will be assimilated[2021-9-02. : 3:44 pm] jjf28 -- VraelVrael shouted: lil-Inferno well I think there's a big difference between UV's regurgitation of other materials and the active pushers Oh_Man is describing ya, and some of them *cough AFD* profiteering from it[2021-9-02. : 3:44 pm] Oh_Man -- Id rather die an anti vaccer than live with that mind control serum in my veins u dirty communists[2021-9-02. : 3:43 pm] Oh_Man -- Ye tht was me wen i stuck a ruler in the air conditioner and the teacher turned it off for the whole day and said blame me...[2021-9-02. : 3:42 pm] Vrael -- its like when a teacher punishes the whole class because of the 1 bad kid and we're all mad[2021-9-02. : 3:42 pm] Oh_Man -- The only ppl theyre endangerinf are others of their kind and those lazy ppl. We are safe from them coZ we hav vacine[2021-9-02. : 3:41 pm] Oh_Man -- So why do we the vaccinated care bout them if thats the consequences of their actions[2021-9-02. : 3:39 pm] Vrael -- unfortunately I think there is a 90 day waiting period between getting sick with covid and being eligible for the vaccine[2021-9-02. : 3:38 pm] Oh_Man -- Are ppl who get sick with covid getting vaccinated while they sre inpatients? I think tht would b a good way to convert more antivaxxers[2021-9-02. : 3:38 pm] Vrael -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Both my missus and my cat are snoring how the f am i supposed to fall asleep... XD put on a nice lullaby, perhaps Enter Sandman by Metallica[2021-9-02. : 3:37 pm] Vrael -- cause that's the only possible way I can interpret "straight bussin'" in this situation[2021-9-02. : 3:37 pm] Oh_Man -- Both my missus and my cat are snoring how the f am i supposed to fall asleep... XD[2021-9-02. : 3:36 pm] Vrael -- do you mean to imply that UV shipped anti-vax propaganda directly to consumers via Bus delivery services?[2021-9-02. : 3:36 pm] Vrael -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Vrael sure, but he still thought it was straight bussin' enough to share it I cant deal with these kids and their slang anymore[2021-9-02. : 3:33 pm] lil-Inferno -- VraelVrael shouted: lil-Inferno well I think there's a big difference between UV's regurgitation of other materials and the active pushers Oh_Man is describing sure, but he still thought it was straight bussin' enough to share it[2021-9-02. : 3:31 pm] Oh_Man -- Anyway i don't even know why i am still being devils advocate i think anti vaxxers are the worst[2021-9-02. : 3:31 pm] Vrael -- it doesn't seem to me like UV tried to get anyone else to not vaccinate, just defend his position that he wasn't going to[2021-9-02. : 3:30 pm] Vrael -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Oh_Man except that's exactly what UV did lmao well I think there's a big difference between UV's regurgitation of other materials and the active pushers Oh_Man is describing[2021-9-02. : 3:29 pm] lil-Inferno -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: U wanna blame someone blame the ppl who are pushing that misinformation out to the masses except that's exactly what UV did lmao[2021-9-02. : 3:29 pm] Vrael -- its more than hypothetical - it is a possible reaction to a real situation which is currently happening in the United States, but obviously yes we are not empowered to make that choice in any way[2021-9-02. : 3:28 pm] Vrael -- even an anti-vaxxer could have caused some great goodness elsewhere in society despite their current negative contribution[2021-9-02. : 3:28 pm] Oh_Man -- It's a purely hypothetical question because hospitals are not triaging like that[2021-9-02. : 3:27 pm] Vrael -- perhaps there is a philosophical claim to make in this case that no one person can possibly judge the entire weight of a person's actions[2021-9-02. : 3:27 pm] Vrael -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: I think uv and ppl like him are misguided and death sentences are a big punishment doesnt fit the crime type of situation morally speaking I agree, but if the choice comes down to treating someone who is innocent and someone who has refused to vaccinate, who should be treated?[2021-9-02. : 3:26 pm] Oh_Man -- U wanna blame someone blame the ppl who are pushing that misinformation out to the masses[2021-9-02. : 3:26 pm] Oh_Man -- I think uv and ppl like him are misguided and death sentences are a big punishment doesnt fit the crime type of situation[2021-9-02. : 3:26 pm] Vrael -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Right, so my position is that since hospitals are currently not triaging people based on vaccination status, it's individuals' responsiblity to self-select I would agree with you but I already made it quite clear that the shoutbox is for disagreements only[2021-9-02. : 3:25 pm] Voyager7456 -- Right, so my position is that since hospitals are currently not triaging people based on vaccination status, it's individuals' responsiblity to self-select[2021-9-02. : 3:25 pm] Oh_Man -- So really u are saying why are we even treatinf these people let them suffer the consequences of their actions[2021-9-02. : 3:25 pm] Vrael -- and this is making people angry because there are still non-covid related hospitalization needs which are being displaced by people who refused to vaccinate[2021-9-02. : 3:24 pm] Vrael -- I believe you're correct, something like over 99% of all new covid hospitalizations in the U.S. are unvaccinated individuals[2021-9-02. : 3:24 pm] Oh_Man -- Though i suspect no hospitals are triaging people based on whether theyre vaccinated or not. In fact presumably the vast majority of covid patients would surely be unvacinnated[2021-9-02. : 3:23 pm] lil-Inferno -- or maybe we address the problem and not the symptom by getting mfs vaccinated[2021-9-02. : 3:23 pm] Voyager7456 -- VraelVrael shouted: that seems fair, or perhaps just that hospitals should be empowered to reject anti-vaxxers The latter would solve the problem, but they're currently not empowered to do that[2021-9-02. : 3:23 pm] Vrael -- that seems fair, or perhaps just that hospitals should be empowered to reject anti-vaxxers[2021-9-02. : 3:22 pm] Oh_Man -- So then what voy really should be saying is get to a hospital and let them decide if they have space for you or not[2021-9-02. : 3:19 pm] Vrael -- hey don't you agree with me, the shoutbox is for disagreements you canadian spaceship[2021-9-02. : 3:18 pm] Vrael -- if enough people are saved such that there is no longer a scarcity of medical resources, then the anti-vaxxers can be saved[2021-9-02. : 3:17 pm] Vrael -- but if there were, the same logic would apply, and those who caused otherwise avoidable accidents should be saved last[2021-9-02. : 3:16 pm] Vrael -- there is no scarcity of medical resources in a single vehicle accident[2021-9-02. : 3:16 pm] Voyager7456 -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Ppl dont deserve to die just because they're stupid, ignorant, or made a wrong decision OK, but what you're saying then is that other people who are ill due to factors outside of their control deserve to die because their neighbours made a selfish decision[2021-9-02. : 3:16 pm] Vrael -- but they do deserve to pay for the consequences of their actions, and if the consequence of their action is a scarcity of medical resources, those scare resouces should be allocated to people who did not contribute to the scarcity[2021-9-02. : 3:15 pm] Oh_Man -- Ppl dont deserve to die just because they're stupid, ignorant, or made a wrong decision[2021-9-02. : 3:14 pm] Vrael -- essentially yes - since they have chosen a course of action which has resulted in a scarcity of medical resources, they ought to be the ones to pay for it |
