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[2021-9-03. : 3:08 am]  Voyager7456 -- crazy idea: maybe we could head off the problem before it gets to "extreme"[2021-9-03. : 2:13 am]  Ultraviolet -- MooseMoose shouted: Hey Ultraviolet, do you actually live in an area with an overrun hospital system? Just thought I'd ask, since everyone has been, you know, assuming. Good question. As far as I know, no, I haven't seen local news stories like that or anything lately. Closest I saw was articles with fears of that happening back in November. It took me a minute to find some data. The county I live in currently has no data, the closest county to us has 14% of beds filled with COVID patients, which according to the chart is considered 'High' but not 'Extreme'[2021-9-03. : 2:07 am] Luigi -- MooseMoose shouted: Vrael did you just assume that I'm unaware of quantum superposition of assuming and not assuming?? You are Schrödinger's moose! Of course you are in a superposition.[2021-9-03. : 2:06 am] Luigi -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: Wowee, what a shoutbox conversation. Luigi I enjoyed your joke, too Great! More jokes are to come  [2021-9-03. : 1:49 am] Vrael -- MooseMoose shouted: Vrael did you just assume that I'm unaware of quantum superposition of assuming and not assuming?? have you ever gotten to the point where you look at a word and you're like "I know what that word means" but your brain won't process it? I don't even know if 'assume' is a real word anymore[2021-9-03. : 1:48 am]  Moose -- VraelVrael shouted: Moose did you just assume that assuming is a binary process? did you just assume that I'm unaware of quantum superposition of assuming and not assuming??[2021-9-03. : 1:42 am] Vrael -- MooseMoose shouted: Vrael did you just assume that I assumed your assumption?? did you just assume that assuming is a binary process?[2021-9-03. : 1:40 am] Moose -- VraelVrael shouted: Moose did you just assume my assumptions? did you just assume that I assumed your assumption??[2021-9-03. : 1:40 am] Vrael -- MooseMoose shouted: Hey Ultraviolet, do you actually live in an area with an overrun hospital system? Just thought I'd ask, since everyone has been, you know, assuming. did you just assume my assumptions?[2021-9-03. : 1:35 am] Lanthanide -- ultimately I couldn't care less why someone got vaccinated, the key point is that they did[2021-9-03. : 1:34 am] Lanthanide -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: U have to think of vaccinr hesitancy like covid itself: a problem to be solved. Not an excuse to moan about the folly of man. yip, and one way to help solve the problem is to use sticks, not just carrots[2021-9-03. : 1:34 am] Moose -- Hey Ultraviolet, do you actually live in an area with an overrun hospital system? Just thought I'd ask, since everyone has been, you know, assuming.[2021-9-03. : 1:05 am] Ultraviolet -- Wowee, what a shoutbox conversation. LuigiLuigi shouted: NudeRaider understood perfectly my bad joke about UV radiation. I enjoyed your joke, too[2021-9-03. : 12:33 am] Oh_Man -- It's exactly the same thinking as charities trying to solve world hunger struggling against corruption[2021-9-03. : 12:32 am] Oh_Man -- U have to think of vaccinr hesitancy like covid itself: a problem to be solved. Not an excuse to moan about the folly of man.[2021-9-02. : 11:09 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Moose Whether transmissibility is reduced post-vaccination or not, the goal is and always has been to not overload hospitals (Remember "two weeks to flatten the curve"?). Governments have based their restrictions (either introducing them or removing them) on hospitalization rate more than anything "the" goal or "a" goal? lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Maybe the guy willfully helping to prolong a pandemic, who has decided to be on the side of a virus, should be a better person that cares about their peers lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider It's much larger than 15% here in the US, to the point that without forcing vaccinations or otherwise making life inconvenient for the unvaccinated, we won't reach herd immunity and this will last forever Statements like these imply "ending" the pandemic is at least a goal and how much the vaccine reduces transmissibility is important for that.[2021-9-02. : 9:44 pm] lil-Inferno -- man all this arguing wouldn't need to happen if mfs just got vaxxed the fucc up smh[2021-9-02. : 8:01 pm] NudeRaider -- (doesn't really make sense here, but I feel this emoji is underused)[2021-9-02. : 7:58 pm] NudeRaider -- VraelVrael shouted: for example - Trump is a huge idiot, he probably would've blundered the takeover *did  [2021-9-02. : 7:58 pm] Vrael -- for example - Trump is a huge idiot, he probably would've blundered the takeover[2021-9-02. : 7:57 pm] Vrael -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Vrael I'm not an expert. If you're sure this is all it takes, then okay they were close. they were closer than anyone should be comfortable with, is the unfortunate point, but there is significant room for debate on what would have actually happened if it succeeded[2021-9-02. : 7:48 pm] Lanthanide -- If you shirk swimmer of your responsibilities, expect that assume late of society's safety net are forbidden to you[2021-9-02. : 7:48 pm] Lanthanide -- If you want to benefit from everything in society, then it's reasonable that you meet all responsibilities that apply to you[2021-9-02. : 7:47 pm] Lanthanide -- Society is a huge safety net, but it also imposes responsibilities to be part of it[2021-9-02. : 7:46 pm] NudeRaider -- I will quit this discussion now. Tired of reiterating the same points over and over again[2021-9-02. : 7:45 pm] Lanthanide -- I don't think it is unreasonable at all that society ration that public good and conserve it for the people who try to preserve it themselves[2021-9-02. : 7:45 pm] NudeRaider -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: suck it up then NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: corona sux [2021-9-02. : 7:45 pm] Voyager7456 -- That's the ultimate end result of what you're suggesting - again, all those things are being done and we are still in the current situation. The options are do something else, or continue the status quo.[2021-9-02. : 7:44 pm] NudeRaider -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Voyager7456 I listed a number of activities that I would rather see reinforced. That's not doing nothing. I'm just say don't do that 1 very bad thing because you're angry. But I know you. When you're angry you stop at nothing. [2021-9-02. : 7:44 pm] Lanthanide -- Society in general takes active steps to prevent individuals damaging the public good, eg anti pollution laws[2021-9-02. : 7:43 pm] Voyager7456 -- I'm not willing to endorse killing innocent people through inaction[2021-9-02. : 7:42 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Voyager7456 I listed a number of activities that I would rather see reinforced. That's not doing nothing. I'm just say don't do that 1 very bad thing because you're angry. But I know you. When you're angry you stop at nothing. You're damn right I'm angry, but the position I hold isn't out of some desire to "punish" anti-vaxxers[2021-9-02. : 7:41 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Medical aid is being made available to everyone equally. Some people are declining it for stupid reasons, and then demanding even more medical aid later at the expense of others Another quote: "medical care is a basic human right that cannot under any circumstances be tied to anything"[2021-9-02. : 7:40 pm] NudeRaider -- VraelVrael shouted: with the old government powerless, who remains to countermand the new leader's orders? I'm not an expert. If you're sure this is all it takes, then okay they were close.[2021-9-02. : 7:40 pm] Lanthanide -- Medical aid is being made available to everyone equally. Some people are declining it for stupid reasons, and then demanding even more medical aid later at the expense of others[2021-9-02. : 7:38 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Voyager7456 I listed a number of activities that I would rather see reinforced. That's not doing nothing. I'm just say don't do that 1 very bad thing because you're angry. But I know you. When you're angry you stop at nothing. They're literally doing all of those things, but it's not enough.[2021-9-02. : 7:38 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: If people want freedom to choose, then they should also reap the consequences of their choice NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Vrael this is not how it works with healthcare. If we were talking about being disallowed from being at the beach because you leave your garbage their, yeah obviously your bad behavior that affects others justifies the ban. But not when it's literally about lives. Medical aid is to be granted to everyone equally. The only exception from this is triage where the decisions are based on survival chances. [2021-9-02. : 7:37 pm] Lanthanide -- If people want freedom to choose, then they should also reap the consequences of their choice[2021-9-02. : 7:37 pm] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider you seem unwilling to register that *not* doing things can also cost lives I listed a number of activities that I would rather see reinforced. That's not doing nothing. I'm just say don't do that 1 very bad thing because you're angry. But I know you. When you're angry you stop at nothing.[2021-9-02. : 7:35 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide nice prank, but I'm not sure I'm willing to execute a prank that might cost lives. you seem unwilling to register that *not* doing things can also cost lives[2021-9-02. : 7:35 pm] Vrael -- with the old government powerless, who remains to countermand the new leader's orders?[2021-9-02. : 7:35 pm] Vrael -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: not saying it is. But I'm not aware of anything they tried or planned that would have given them actual power. They just DOSed the Gov't that's exactly what a coup is - render the old government powerless, and then your new leader starts issuing commands[2021-9-02. : 7:34 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider and one extra thing you can do all those lines is tell everyone who is not vaxxed that they won't get medical treatment for COVID-19 unless there's space available for them. nice prank, but I'm not sure I'm willing to execute a prank that might cost lives.[2021-9-02. : 7:34 pm] NudeRaider -- not saying it is. But I'm not aware of anything they tried or planned that would have given them actual power. They just DOSed the Gov't[2021-9-02. : 7:34 pm] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: The solution is not to become heartless. The solution is to fight the problem on all fronts. Seek aid from regions/countries less affected. Increase efforts to restock supplies. Do campaigns where mobile vaccination stations are visiting anti-vaxxers (probably many poor areas), do ad campaigns how bad the situation in the hospitals is. Just a few things off the top of the head. But lets not throw our humanity out of the window. and one extra thing you can do all those lines is tell everyone who is not vaxxed that they won't get medical treatment for COVID-19 unless there's space available for them. |
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