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[2019-1-31. : 4:12 am]  Pr0nogo -- and maybe more than most of the modders that still frequent this site[2019-1-31. : 4:07 am] Dem0n -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Mods are quality sleep aids I'll give you that tbh man you made one map that was kinda a letdown given all the hype it generated, so idk why you're acting like some mapping connoisseur LMAO[2019-1-31. : 3:32 am] Oh_Man -- Why you always quoting yesterdays oh man? You gotta live in the now mate[2019-1-31. : 2:44 am]  jjf28 -- MooseMoose shouted: They're talking about quality, not how much fun you have making it. You could have fun making a pile of poop, but at the end of the day it's still shit. 💩[2019-1-31. : 2:23 am]  Moose -- They're talking about quality, not how much fun you have making it. You could have fun making a pile of poop, but at the end of the day it's still shit.[2019-1-31. : 1:58 am] Dem0n -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: The ceiling is far lower for mapping than it is for modding, so you're naturally going to limit how good your project can be A lot of the fun of mapping is coming up with ways to work around that ceiling[2019-1-31. : 1:23 am] Pr0nogo -- The ceiling is far lower for mapping than it is for modding, so you're naturally going to limit how good your project can be[2019-1-31. : 12:11 am] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Oh_Man in a way sure, it comes down to what you want to your project to be. if you want it to be high quality, you'll be modding. the problem comes from people with incomplete knowledge arguing as if they had complete knowledge, especially in an attempt to convince people that mapping without modding is a superior (or even competitive) medium for any high quality project maps can also be high quality. But sure, you can add an "extra layer of quality" with modding. It's just not always practical to do so, even if you simulate missing players. I can't imagine enjoying Desert Strike more as a single player mod (with optional human players, if I find some), for example.[2019-1-31. : 12:02 am] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Oh_Man I think my position has been misconstrued a bit - I never said maps can't be fun, or that people shouldn't make them or even that I don't enjoy them. My point (oh so long ago) was simply to object to the idea that Nude put forth that the systems in UMS maps are "new gameplay" whereas mods that create new gameplay are "gimmicks" for the record, I said that modders often forget that the mapping part is where game play is made and focus on gimmicks (not that gimmicks are bad, but it's not all a project needs). I also claimed that mods cannot contribute much in the game play department (because EVERY mod I've played so far didn't). If they can contribute (substantially, as you claim) then I will accept that a) times have changed or b) I've mostly played bad mods (if even older mods show game play deviation from RTS without needing triggers). I plan on making time this weekend to find out.[2019-1-31. : 12:00 am] Vrael -- CorboCorbo shouted: Vrael buttman imo nanananananananananananana BUTTMAN[2019-1-30. : 11:03 pm] Corbo -- VraelVrael shouted: whew, good thing I've been saying "butthurt" and not mad, almost made someone angry buttman imo[2019-1-30. : 9:45 pm] Vrael -- whew, good thing I've been saying "butthurt" and not mad, almost made someone angry[2019-1-30. : 9:29 pm] Corbo -- MooseMoose shouted: And also, I realize I haven't played a lot of mods and I admit that, so I'm not going to make broad generalizations on modding. Which is more than can be said for some people. and i still have not heard oh mans reply tho [2019-1-30. : 9:28 pm] Corbo -- MooseMoose shouted: I contributed awhile ago and I don't really have much else to add. Just gonna play and create what I feel like so it's all w/e why can't we all be like you my dearest flower calyx?[2019-1-30. : 9:23 pm] Moose -- And also, I realize I haven't played a lot of mods and I admit that, so I'm not going to make broad generalizations on modding. Which is more than can be said for some people. [2019-1-30. : 9:23 pm] Moose -- I contributed awhile ago and I don't really have much else to add. Just gonna play and create what I feel like so it's all w/e[2019-1-30. : 9:18 pm] Pr0nogo -- tbh the only thing that actually frustrates me is people saying "mad" instead of contributing to the conversation, especially since responding to it invariably results in you saying "mad"[2019-1-30. : 7:34 pm] Vrael -- CorboCorbo shouted: But i wanna hear oh man's reply CorboCorbo shouted: Nice memes butthurt[2019-1-30. : 7:30 pm] lil-Inferno -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Moose here's the actual summary tho Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: just gotta replace the names It's more like Dem0nDem0n shouted: Broflamingo mad Broflamingo madder Broflamingo maddest Vrael madden 17 Broflamingo madden 18 Broflamingo madden 19 lil-Inferno madden 20 Broflamingo madden 21 Broflamingo madden 22 Vrael madden 23 Vrael madden 24 rockz madden 25 jjf28 madden 26 Broflamingo madden 27 Broflamingo madden 28 Broflamingo madden 29 rockz madden 30 Vrael madden 31 Broflamingo madden 32 Vrael madden 33 Broflamingo madden 34 Vrael madden 35 Broflamingo madden 36 Broflamingo madden 37 Vrael madden 38 Vrael madden 39 Broflamingo madden 40 rockz madden 41 Broflamingo madden 42 jjf28 madden 43 jjf28 madden 44 Broflamingo madden 45 jjf28 madden 46 jjf28 madden 47 lil-Inferno madden 48 Broflamingo madden 49 Broflamingo madden 50 Broflamingo madden 51 KrayZee madden 52 KrayZee madden 53 Broflamingo madden 54 [2019-1-30. : 7:17 pm] Vrael -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Vrael let's not pretend it's not also the other way around LMAO Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Vrael i don't think this was ever my position looks like a case of the butthurts to me  [2019-1-30. : 7:14 pm] Voyager7456 -- MooseMoose shouted: Lanthanide mad NudeRaider madder NudeRaider maddest Pr0nogo even more mad Pr0nogo even more mad than that Pr0nogo mad but not wrong NudeRaider furious Pr0nogo 2fast2furious NudeRaider seething thekian thekian thekian thekian simmering (but not wrong) NudeRaider boiling Pr0nogo livid Pr0nogo more livid Pr0nogo most livid here's the actual summary tho[2019-1-30. : 7:11 pm] Voyager7456 -- VraelVrael shouted: vaguely though its some mapper vs. modder shenanigans where the modders are saying "ur stuff isn't as cool as our REAL stuff" and mappers are saying "yes it is u r just jelly" let's not pretend it's not also the other way around LMAO[2019-1-30. : 7:08 pm] Corbo -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: corbo asking the real questions and he still has not replied[2019-1-30. : 7:00 pm] Pr0nogo -- VraelVrael shouted: vaguely though its some mapper vs. modder shenanigans where the modders are saying "ur stuff isn't as cool as our REAL stuff" and mappers are saying "yes it is u r just jelly" i don't think this was ever my position[2019-1-30. : 6:59 pm] Corbo -- Only seems fair that we ask oh_man and see if he can comment of them tbh[2019-1-30. : 6:29 pm] Vrael -- not really interesting to me since I happen to be the authority on all things ever, that is[2019-1-30. : 6:28 pm] Vrael -- vaguely though its some mapper vs. modder shenanigans where the modders are saying "ur stuff isn't as cool as our REAL stuff" and mappers are saying "yes it is u r just jelly"[2019-1-30. : 6:27 pm] Vrael -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Vrael wat are ur thoughts on this hot topic as maker of Tenebrous I didn't really follow the whole conversation so I don't really understand the topic, or rather you could say my understanding of the topic is tenebrous at best[2019-1-30. : 6:26 pm] Ahli -- speaking of d1... I still didn't finish the update I started a year ago... lol. I'm just to lazy to make banks loaded at a later time work with my dupe detection.[2019-1-30. : 6:17 pm] Nekron -- do you consider simplified implementations equal to original elaborate systems?[2019-1-30. : 6:16 pm] Nekron -- much less D2 with a complex loot system you'd run out of entries for in SC[2019-1-30. : 6:15 pm] Nekron -- I'm lead to believe that no you haven't if you think anything close to Diablo 1, with it's monster AI and gimmicks, can be reliably recreated in the SC engine[2019-1-30. : 5:41 pm] Voyager7456 -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Well I can't address all that but I think u shuld try my map and maybe you'll be surprised by how many things u can do in SC despite it's limits Seeing people try to get around those limits is always interesting and a fun endeavor as a creator, imo. I'll probably play it at some point. |
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