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[2016-7-17. : 7:31 pm]  CecilSunkure -- AKA if Sac were interviewing me I'd have to deceive him into thinking I'm an OOP-head to get hired[2016-7-17. : 7:31 pm] CecilSunkure -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: OOP gets fat $tack$ tho so whatever LMAO OOP is only good for interviews[2016-7-17. : 7:31 pm] lil-Inferno -- While you're arguing about OOP sucking ass, I'm using it to get rich AF C|B^ )[2016-7-17. : 7:30 pm]  Moose -- Yeah, but this particular case was easily avoidable by recognizing your lack of knowledge of the future.[2016-7-17. : 7:30 pm] Sacrieur -- So that you can replace or modify components (i.e., objects), without having to rewrite any other code.[2016-7-17. : 7:30 pm] CecilSunkure -- Yes please use OOP. It's great and solves all problems. Anyone can OOP![2016-7-17. : 7:29 pm] Moose -- No, you're spending time on a maintainability problem instead of solving real problems[2016-7-17. : 7:29 pm] CecilSunkure -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: But what happens if you DO use a public int, then later on you want to have a getter/setter that would also affect something else? Then suddenly you're not OOP-ing, you're think-ing![2016-7-17. : 7:28 pm] Moose -- But what happens if you DO use a public int, then later on you want to have a getter/setter that would also affect something else?[2016-7-17. : 7:28 pm] Sacrieur -- Oh wait... That's right, I am a professional software developer who uses OOP to solve complex problems.[2016-7-17. : 7:28 pm] Sacrieur -- But I've never gotten out of a book, so how would I know OOP is useful?[2016-7-17. : 7:28 pm] CecilSunkure -- You probably don't know what OOP is if you're solving real problems.[2016-7-17. : 7:28 pm] Sacrieur -- Man. If only I were a professional software developer that uses OOP to solve real problems.[2016-7-17. : 7:27 pm] CecilSunkure -- That way of thinking is following a methodology. It may have been better to just use a public int.[2016-7-17. : 7:26 pm] CecilSunkure -- OOP is more like... Okay, I want to add a data member to this class, like an int. Lets make it private. If it's private that means we need to add a gettor and a settor. The gettor should be const, because gettors do not modify internal state.[2016-7-17. : 7:25 pm] CecilSunkure -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I just think of OO as glorified data structures with special functions (methods) that give you/other parts of the program/other developers an API for using them. I'd say that's just API design. Also I'd say there's a difference between an Abstract Data Type, and OOP.[2016-7-17. : 7:25 pm] Moose -- I just think of OO as glorified data structures with special functions (methods) that give you/other parts of the program/other developers an API for using them.[2016-7-17. : 7:22 pm] CecilSunkure -- I think it's a higher level concept. Which is why I keep saying methodology.[2016-7-17. : 7:22 pm] CecilSunkure -- Well often times people think of OO-ish code as "classes", or "objects"[2016-7-17. : 7:21 pm] Moose -- But yeah, anything I've written anything I would say is OO-ish, I never really ran around writing excess code and abstractions that didn't do anything relevant.[2016-7-17. : 7:19 pm] CecilSunkure -- aka, this is why MS word and Visual Studio take forever to load[2016-7-17. : 7:19 pm] CecilSunkure -- And these extras also never take into account the hardware they run on[2016-7-17. : 7:19 pm] CecilSunkure -- When OOP is used it's thought beneficial to write extra code, extra abstractions, all of which don't actually solve problems at-hand[2016-7-17. : 7:18 pm] CecilSunkure -- Well sure, and good code solves actual problems without doing anything extra[2016-7-17. : 7:18 pm] Moose -- And I'm not sure I care about the textbook definition because writing good code is more important to me LMAO[2016-7-17. : 7:17 pm] CecilSunkure -- Well I'm mostly commenting on non-academic implementations and professional software engineers that I've come into contact with[2016-7-17. : 7:16 pm] Moose -- IDK, I don't really have an academic understanding of it so I can't really argue for or against it. I don't know if the ways I use it are actually using it.[2016-7-17. : 7:14 pm] Moose -- But then that might mean you hate the way people use OOP more than OOP itself  [2016-7-17. : 7:13 pm] CecilSunkure -- Which is fine, it just means jj isn't mindlessly following a methodology[2016-7-17. : 7:09 pm] jjf28 -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: OOP is a methodology that attempts to create useful code. AKA it's about mindlessly following steps or rules in hopes of achieving something nope, git gud kid [2016-7-17. : 7:09 pm] CecilSunkure -- In the end all OOP results in is over-engineered code that doesn't really solve meaningful problems. This is because poor engineers employ OOP without thinking about anything critically.[2016-7-17. : 7:08 pm] CecilSunkure -- OOP is a methodology that attempts to create useful code. AKA it's about mindlessly following steps or rules in hopes of achieving something[2016-7-17. : 7:05 pm] CecilSunkure -- Inheritance is a form of compression. Encapsulation is apart of API design. Polymorphism is an abstraction.[2016-7-17. : 7:04 pm] CecilSunkure -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: Principles of inheritance, encapsulation, and polymorphism. None of these are OOP principles. They are basic ideas, all of which existed long before OOP was coined or popularized[2016-7-17. : 6:39 pm]  Oh_Man -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Guy says he never spams, tells Dem0n off for spamming and getting booted for it, spams so much he gets booted off himself LMAO http://i.imgur.com/8e8WEbm.png rekt[2016-7-17. : 6:36 pm] Roy -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: FaRTy1billion In modern languages we use delegates. Which is not OOP, but more akin to functional programming.[2016-7-17. : 5:07 pm] jjf28 -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Guy says he never spams, tells Dem0n off for spamming and getting booted for it, spams so much he gets booted off himself LMAO http://i.imgur.com/8e8WEbm.png dankmemes.[2016-7-17. : 4:05 pm] lil-Inferno -- Guy says he never spams, tells Dem0n off for spamming and getting booted for it, spams so much he gets booted off himself LMAO http://i.imgur.com/8e8WEbm.png[2016-7-17. : 3:49 pm] Sacrieur -- Even if languages without object oriented design, I find myself adopting object oriented design because it's eight million times cleaner. |
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