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[2016-9-13. : 10:43 pm]  Sacrieur -- Not be forced to buy insurance for myself (because healthy people like me help subsidize the cost for sick people). Not be forced to pay for social security that the government promises that I'll get back if I live long enough.[2016-9-13. : 10:41 pm] Sacrieur -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Ya, need to go through every tax dollar in the budget and get rid of everything someone might personally disagree with They take it on the premise that it's going to be given back to me when I'm older; but that's not the case.[2016-9-13. : 10:41 pm] Sacrieur -- Being forced to pay money to subsidize an industry is still a tax.[2016-9-13. : 10:39 pm] Sacrieur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: i'll make this brief: sick people are paid by taxes, not their employer Great, so they take my money and spend it on old people to get viagra.[2016-9-13. : 10:39 pm]  Moose -- Ya, need to go through every tax dollar in the budget and get rid of everything someone might personally disagree with[2016-9-13. : 10:38 pm] Sacrieur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: really people? Are you really that oblivious as to how social security works? You mean where they take my money and spend it on pet projects?[2016-9-13. : 10:29 pm]  Lanthanide -- where you make someone's job difficult or unpleasant so they're forced to resign[2016-9-13. : 10:27 pm] Lanthanide -- and risk opening you company to an Unjustified Disadvantage personal greivance[2016-9-13. : 10:25 pm] lil-Inferno -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: in NZ we have fairly strong worker protection laws, so you can't fire someone for "no reason" or for taking too much annual leave, etc But you can make their life miserable and hope they leave on their own C|X^ D[2016-9-13. : 10:25 pm] Lanthanide -- which is also why you'd never get an unlimited leave clause in a contract here[2016-9-13. : 10:24 pm] Lanthanide -- in NZ we have fairly strong worker protection laws, so you can't fire someone for "no reason" or for taking too much annual leave, etc[2016-9-13. : 10:24 pm] Lanthanide -- yeah, that's a nice "perk' on paper, but useless if you can't actually use it[2016-9-13. : 10:22 pm] lil-Inferno -- Some tech companies offer unlimited paid vacation, but no one takes advantage of it cuz they fear what other people will think of them C|X^ D[2016-9-13. : 10:07 pm] Lanthanide -- http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/84235203/hillary-clintons-body-double-bizarre-conspiracies-ignite-after-911-faint[2016-9-13. : 9:33 pm] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide so who pays your food and rent then? yip, so if you're often sick, it can make your budget pretty tight[2016-9-13. : 9:26 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider we have unpaid sick leave if you run out of paid sick leave. It just means it's unpaid so who pays your food and rent then?[2016-9-13. : 9:05 pm] jjf28 -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Mini Moose 2707 New Zealand has Fairness: https://www.amazon.com/Fairness-Freedom-History-Societies-Zealand/dp/0199832706 who asked?  [2016-9-13. : 7:28 pm] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide what kind of sick (pun intended) system is that where your employer gets to force you to work when you happen to be sick for too long? Maybe I should be more thankful for our social security. we have unpaid sick leave if you run out of paid sick leave. It just means it's unpaid [2016-9-13. : 7:24 pm] Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Here there's no requirement but employers can give whatever they choose to because we have FREEDOM. (freedom to fuck people over LMAO) New Zealand has Fairness: https://www.amazon.com/Fairness-Freedom-History-Societies-Zealand/dp/0199832706[2016-9-13. : 6:15 pm] Dem0n -- One of these days I should really play through Morrowind and Oblivion. I have like 30 minutes on Morrowind and 2 hours on Oblivion. Then 150+ hours on Skyrim LAMO[2016-9-13. : 6:01 pm] Fire_Kame -- Have I told you I hate my job because it requires me to disregard 90% of my vocabulary[2016-9-13. : 6:00 pm] Fire_Kame -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: I mean it's security for retirement NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: i was comparing our social security to yours - and complaining how I dont think you can call it security in the US I wouldn't consider it as security for retirement. People claim it's a program that's too big to fail bit even now soctal security operates on a deficit[2016-9-13. : 5:18 pm] CecilSunkure -- Walter White can be viewed as a manifestation of that repression[2016-9-13. : 4:51 pm] NudeRaider -- thinking about that... what if walter white's success is that large because every US citizen secretly wants to be him when they're sick and everyone else is just amazed as to why would anyone do something that ridiculous. perspective man.[2016-9-13. : 4:44 pm] NudeRaider -- Ah then of course you dont need security for the 40-50 years until you reach that  [2016-9-13. : 4:40 pm] NudeRaider -- i was comparing our social security to yours - and complaining how I dont think you can call it security in the US[2016-9-13. : 4:38 pm] NudeRaider -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: Social Security doesn't do shit for healthcare tbh this makes me think you have no idea how these things work in EU[2016-9-13. : 4:37 pm] lil-Inferno -- StrangerStranger shouted: Heh... It's 25 days paid leave minimum in France (lowest standard), but depending on the company and on your working hours, it can be more, like 40 days paid leave in the year. It was still better back in school though x) I guess professors are best placed for this ^_^ Can take 2 months in a row off LMFAO[2016-9-13. : 4:36 pm] lil-Inferno -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: or rather deincentivizing hiring more employees at less hous stannis_baratheon_at_blackwater.jpg[2016-9-13. : 4:34 pm] NudeRaider -- i'll make this brief: sick people are paid by taxes, not their employer[2016-9-13. : 4:33 pm] NudeRaider -- really people? Are you really that oblivious as to how social security works?[2016-9-13. : 4:04 pm] jjf28 -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: Why should your employer pay people for having health problems? SacrieurSacrieur shouted: The only way they should is if they want to. mm really, by tagging such costs to employers we're incentivizing them to max hours and minimize vacation time at a time when automation should be widdling away work hours; single-payer healthcare please![2016-9-13. : 4:00 pm] Dem0n -- Last time I went to the doctor's was to get an xray when I sprained my ankle like 3 years ago, before that it was like in 2008 the last time I went.[2016-9-13. : 3:04 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Here there's no requirement but employers can give whatever they choose to because we have FREEDOM. (freedom to fuck people over LMAO) I wonder how many people actually think that way - without realizing the small print - and thus actually think it's a good thing. Any employee with an IQ above 80 should be able to see what's wrong. Though you can't blame the bosses for promoting this kind of thinking, of course.[2016-9-13. : 2:56 pm] NudeRaider -- Bonus days for being healthy, punishment for having bad health? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Those that have better health work more to make up for the sick ones. Help each other, not pit the fortunate vs. the unfortunate against each other![2016-9-13. : 2:54 pm] NudeRaider -- The idea of actual flexi leave is also stupid imo. When you haven't been sick there's no reason you get more days than you usually have.[2016-9-13. : 2:51 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: also we effectively have the flexi-leave thing here anyway, if you run out of sick leave, most employers will allow you to choose to use your annual leave in its place what kind of sick (pun intended) system is that where your employer gets to force you to work when you happen to be sick for too long? Maybe I should be more thankful for our social security. [2016-9-13. : 2:46 pm] Wing Zero -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Wing Zero watching that character implode was hilarious I found it super frustrating how slow it was[2016-9-13. : 2:18 pm] Sand Wraith -- Wing ZeroWing Zero shouted: Sand Wraith Re:Zero is definitly my favorite anime from these past few seasons watching that character implode was hilarious[2016-9-13. : 2:10 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- FT is cool, PT only gets the 1.5x working hours and no PTO/sick, but they have way more flexibility at my job because they can basically take off or add whatever hours whenever[2016-9-13. : 1:57 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: The worst part of pto to me is that most companies make you work about six months before you start accruing it. mine it accrues in the first 6 months, so after the 6 months you already have half of it[2016-9-13. : 1:55 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- (taking a day off negates the holiday pay, because you lose a shift) |
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