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[2016-9-13. : 11:14 pm]  Moose -- But only if you don't have to pay for the ambulance that tries to revive them.[2016-9-13. : 11:12 pm] Moose -- AlzarathAlzarath shouted: I wish the media didn't appeal to the stupidest common denominator. All I hear is shit-slinging going both ways. With all the time our TV spends on the news, I still don't know anything about what either of the parties are doing outside the Trump meme of building a wall. The purpose of TV news is to entertain and persuade, not to inform.[2016-9-13. : 11:12 pm]  Sacrieur -- Hilary is like meme: she just goes with whatever is popular at the time.[2016-9-13. : 11:11 pm]  Alzarath -- I wish the media didn't appeal to the stupidest common denominator. All I hear is shit-slinging going both ways. With all the time our TV spends on the news, I still don't know anything about what either of the parties are doing outside the Trump meme of building a wall.[2016-9-13. : 11:11 pm] Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: But the democrats will tax and spend your money! Republicans just spend without taxing it; eg Iraq War[2016-9-13. : 11:10 pm] Sacrieur -- They don't pretend to be anything but a living example of why eugenics is a good idea.[2016-9-13. : 11:10 pm] Moose -- Yeah, but they'll pretend to be about small government and freedom while they do it. X^D[2016-9-13. : 11:08 pm] Lanthanide -- well if more people voted democrat, you might get a decent healthcare system[2016-9-13. : 11:08 pm] Moose -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: We have higher tax rates than most countries. Source?[2016-9-13. : 11:06 pm] Moose -- Well, for the record, I'm not defending the current healthcare system[2016-9-13. : 11:05 pm] Sacrieur -- And the ones with comparable tax rates are way nicer than the shit we have here, like healthcare that's not a fucking joke.[2016-9-13. : 11:04 pm] Moose -- You can even pick the nice high HDI ones since the low ones are strawmen.[2016-9-13. : 11:02 pm] Sacrieur -- Because I go up tax brackets, and they take out even bigger cuts.[2016-9-13. : 11:01 pm] Sacrieur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Sacrieur and what will your tax refund be like? Maybe 20% of all I paid in taxes over the year.[2016-9-13. : 11:00 pm] Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Sacrieur and what will your tax refund be like? This is why I used last year's tax return[2016-9-13. : 11:00 pm] Lanthanide -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: According to the year to date, I've paid 42.8% of my entire income to taxes. and what will your tax refund be like?[2016-9-13. : 11:00 pm] Sacrieur -- AlzarathAlzarath shouted: I wonder if I can request a meatball sub, but instead of meatballs, one big meattube. Even out the distribution of meat. It's called a sloppy joe.[2016-9-13. : 10:59 pm] Moose -- AlzarathAlzarath shouted: I wonder if I can request a meatball sub, but instead of meatballs, one big meattube. Even out the distribution of meat. Most likely not, because the meatballs have been cooked already. Unless your sub shop cooks them on the spot.[2016-9-13. : 10:59 pm] Alzarath -- I wonder if I can request a meatball sub, but instead of meatballs, one big meattube. Even out the distribution of meat.[2016-9-13. : 10:58 pm] Sacrieur -- According to the year to date, I've paid 42.8% of my entire income to taxes.[2016-9-13. : 10:53 pm] Moose -- 27.95%? Add in another 1% for healthcare if you like, because you were able to forego coverage in 2015 for that penalty.[2016-9-13. : 10:53 pm] Lanthanide -- and may not directly affect them; but the fact that businesses can work in your country, leads to employment and goods and services being created that you benefit from, which otherwise wouldn't exist[2016-9-13. : 10:52 pm] Lanthanide -- and they don't appreciate the value that they get from their taxes[2016-9-13. : 10:52 pm] Lanthanide -- which I think is a lot of the problem people have with taxes - they imagine they pay a lot more than what they really do[2016-9-13. : 10:51 pm] Sacrieur -- You can approximate with the amount of money you budget towards specific categories.[2016-9-13. : 10:50 pm] Sacrieur -- Factor in money paid to social security, health insurance, state taxes, local taxes, and medicare.[2016-9-13. : 10:49 pm] Moose -- My effective tax rate based on my 2015 federal tax return is actually 16.52%. You must make a bit more than I do.[2016-9-13. : 10:49 pm] Sacrieur -- They may as well just come in and take half your stuff, give it to their friends and say, "WELL IF YA DONT LIKE IT YOU CAN LIVE IN SOMALIA LOL"[2016-9-13. : 10:48 pm] Sacrieur -- Do you think it's reasonable for you to do a bunch of work and have the government come in and take HALF of it away?[2016-9-13. : 10:47 pm] Sacrieur -- Yeah, good thing they're taking away 45% of my income every paycheck. Which is fucking unreasonable.[2016-9-13. : 10:47 pm] Moose -- Indeed, that's why Social Security and Medicare are literally specified as taxes on your W-2.[2016-9-13. : 10:46 pm] Sacrieur -- social security is a tax, having to pay for insurance is a tax, medicare is a tax[2016-9-13. : 10:46 pm] Moose -- They don't care if you feel good about paying them or even understand them so long as you pay them.[2016-9-13. : 10:45 pm] Sacrieur -- I'm saying taxes are fine, just hide your goddamn tax rate by pretending it's for my own benefit.[2016-9-13. : 10:45 pm] Moose -- Oh, so you're saying we need some sort of system where people can debate and agree on what the government does and doesn't spend money on. Perhaps by a representative government of some sort.[2016-9-13. : 10:43 pm] Lanthanide -- they don't have any taxation because they don't have a government |
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