I lose more respect for westies by the hour. If you're going to try to counter my points, please chop it up in quotes, not just throwing a wall of text at me.

But you did make try to argue with 1 of my quote about volt. I said the ultra will freeze up do the the attack+move order spam. You say that barely happens, I say ultra is more prone to freezing than any other unit. I still contend that your best option is to maintain higher DPS than the volt and have relatively high hp ups.

But please, continue to suck up to each other.

Your ling should attack volt with l3's until volt decides to defend with any spell, If he l1s you still l3, if he l2s you can final and probably 2 or 3 hit him depending on your ups, if he finals and runs then just damage him and micro him, once his final ends lurk again, or if he l2s you final again. Ling will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS beat volt.

As for dm, lings l4 stops dms final spawn, so he can escape, or wait it out then kill dm, 120 isn't a waste when your opponent uses the same amount of mana. Unless you have enough ups to hold off final, you're pretty much dead, so it's best to escape and try again later.


It's also necessary to be better than decent to talk about strategy, so, as a reminder to everyone, don't give advice unless you know what you're talking about.

Hi maxx! I heard no one likes you on west either.


@vortex Hi iceman! A pro volt will l2 and l4, l2 > lurks, l4 > ultra.

Ling l4 against DM final? That's retarded, just l3 once or twice while running.

It happens but but doesn't make manual "not worth mentioning". Most cases Volt is going to be using L2 to dodge a lurker shot and the ling won't even be in range. Hell, if the ultralisk freezing is such a big problem just wait for the Volt to react with a crappy L2 that makes him ummovable and proceed to rape him.

Assuming that it's late game and Mutant has a enough mana for it. Then again there's always the random variables such as what was stated about the ultra freezing.

DM will mael the ultra and good chance ling will lose. That means there's two ways for ling to beat DM and that's either aiming the orb either with lurks or ultra asap (can't stop ling doing this at night) or pumping enough armor for L4 not to effect you, as well as plenty of lurker upgrades and mana for manualed lurks.

Already countered everything you said, maybe read before posting rather then give a crappy explanation of something wrong.


...what? Only thing I see L3 useful for is obscuring vision.

The ling uses his l3 against the DMs l4.

As for volt, volt l4 lasts longer than mutant l4, and volt l2 beats mutant l3. Mutant l2 can manual volt l2 effectively, however that depends on how melee-centered mutant goes.

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Lings l4 attacks much faster than Super Volt, and does more damage, even if you transform back to ling you can still lurk.
And I forgot to mention that your ling is already l2ed by dm, so it's best to just final and run, hoping not to get maeled by dm. It's an unusual situation that probably only happens if you're already l2ed.

I also appreciate it for thinking I'm Ice, what a lovely compliment, hopefully some day I can be as l33t as him, should be your goal too kiddie poo.

A) What's this about DM maeling the ling? We ARE talking about mutant vs volt, right?

B) and volt can l2 when you lurk. Plus volts generally have more mana, meaning l4 soon after, which can take l3 or l2.

C) Don't be retarded, iceman is a 12 year old kidiot. Oh yeah, BTW, I still think you're iceman. Even if you aren't, it's similiar behaviour, which got Mr.1337Ice bant.

That's a bad thing for the Volt. If the Volt L4 were to fight the ultra L4 then it would just turn out with SuperVolt being severely damaged with the ultra transforming back to ling and lurking once or twice to finish him.

That's the whole point. L2 is his only defence besides running away with L4. It also slows him and makes him unable to use spells in the duration.

Edit:

Lurks work well while L2'd.



You want and expect the Volt to L2 when you lurk. He can't use other spells while using L2. If he L4s after you L4 it's what I mentioned before about the SuperVolt probably being destroyed.

Granted, although can't Supervolt take the hits? How much HP/shields has it got anyway?
It may be one of his only defences, but it's effective. Plus, in a mana battle volt should always win. Once mutant runs out of mana to l3 with, volt can finish him or run.

I can't even be bothered arguing like this anymore, it's that far off from my main point which was "Mutant's invaluable L4 is the only thing allowing him to be competitively viable". All I was pointing out was that if you try to L2 the ultra as Volt then you will probably end up dying.

Heres a replay, Volt vs Ling. My friend is a decent ling. I have a few more.

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Domination? = =? Green really didnt learn his lesson when he died the 1st time to ultra while l2ing. And as i said b4, NONE of the ling's l2 actually his green or purp, ya like 1 or 2, but not really enough to call it an attack. Purp could really have started attacking temple, but no, he decided to make stupid cannons at the enemy base. Only reason why ling won was because of the spawn feed, and purp just decided to go make stupid cannons, when he could have used that money on upgrades to rape base. No noteworthy plays here, just the typical "I got more mins from spawn and i pwn you all" tactic. Not even worthy of the word domination. In better context, more like: "Ling gets alot of money and kills a temple"

I got this from my friend, and he can't kill temple if ling was defending it, it was also to prove the point that volt l2 cant beat ultra.

lol ofc l2 archon gets pwned by ultra. l2 does not affect ultra and just makes archon slower, making it vulnerable to ultra attack. Im pretty sure rine could micro temple against easily even if ling has lurk. Lurk splash would only help kill temple.

Archon's l2 affects all units. Ultra can manual through it, however. Lurker bombs aren't hard to avoid with any unit with a speed over 5.

Alright Folks!
We got a total of Thirty-two Votes... WOW! That is actually a pretty good turn up.

It seems that, from our popularity poll, that the winners are

• Mutant in First place
  
• Warrior in Second place
  
• and Assassin, Light Mage, Mech, and Volt hogging third place.
  

These heroes will be considered in TS2, if it's ever conceived.

In the meantime, FlashBeer and I are both working on v1.6, and rather than changing a lot of things, he has added more options for certain heroes, like the assassin, the archer. Here's a little teaser: with l3, archer's spore colonies will spawn guardians that attack once.
Zany's also working on a perfect kill to cash system..
Lastly, I've written down a rather long list of things that need to be fixed, and will be when the final version comes out followed by the tourny version.

This may take more time than what I initially thought, but these additions are good, and we'll c wut we can do before SCII comes.

Which means that there will be new heroes that replace the old ones?
Mutant in sc2, wonder wut the character model will look like.


So l3=spawn guradian@ spore colony?


Perfect cash kill system...hm..try to balance out the end game kill to mins


Not a surprise mutant got first, and warrior second. Ling and warrior being fast and able to pk.

What do you mean by balancing the end game kills?

Some units such as rine can defend the temple from spawn. It is through this they can get alot of money and eventually rape temple//players. idk, i just feel that the kill values are a bit high after rine. Either make spawn stronger to compete with the late game players or lower the min value.

Rine and zealot spawns are being swapped, and the exp values changed. Not sure about hydra spawns exp.