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[2017-3-26. : 2:00 pm] Moose -- outlawpoetoutlawpoet shouted: Mini Moose 2707 every single map I maintain does so, ya But every map I've made doesn't XD[2017-3-26. : 1:59 pm] outlawpoet -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: There's a large number of maps that actually set unit stats accounting for sprite lag? every single map I maintain does so, ya[2017-3-26. : 1:59 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: There's a large number of maps that actually set unit stats accounting for sprite lag? any map that has mass battles, essentially.[2017-3-26. : 1:58 pm] Moose -- There's a large number of maps that actually set unit stats accounting for sprite lag?[2017-3-26. : 1:58 pm] outlawpoet -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: "Dragoons will not freeze and require a Stop order before accepting new orders" They do realize Dragoons aren't the only units that get unit freeze, right? yeah this behavior is definitely not unique to dragoons. I wonder if they fixed the underlying order processing or just dragoons specifically[2017-3-26. : 1:57 pm] outlawpoet -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: "Valkyries will fire missiles regardless of population size" OK, what about Gols and all the other units that become useless at the sprite limit? NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 if I understood it correctly they'll entire remove the sprite limit. (or set it to something we won't hit ever) that was my understanding too. goliaths and other sprite lag units will need a rebalance for a lot of maps lol[2017-3-26. : 1:56 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: "Valkyries will fire missiles regardless of population size" OK, what about Gols and all the other units that become useless at the sprite limit? if I understood it correctly they'll entire remove the sprite limit. (or set it to something we won't hit ever)[2017-3-26. : 1:53 pm] lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: "Valkyries will fire missiles regardless of population size" OK, what about Gols and all the other units that become useless at the sprite limit? Now they even more OP in diplo world LMAO[2017-3-26. : 1:52 pm] Moose -- "Valkyries will fire missiles regardless of population size" OK, what about Gols and all the other units that become useless at the sprite limit?[2017-3-26. : 1:52 pm] Dem0n -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: "Dragoons will not freeze and require a Stop order before accepting new orders" They do realize Dragoons aren't the only units that get unit freeze, right? srsly I get that with like every unit LMAO[2017-3-26. : 1:52 pm] Moose -- "Dragoons will not freeze and require a Stop order before accepting new orders" They do realize Dragoons aren't the only units that get unit freeze, right?[2017-3-26. : 1:51 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Also, 3/30 release, 3/31 it fails, 4/1 turns out it's April Fool's? LMAO ![]() [2017-3-26. : 1:51 pm] Moose -- Also, 3/30 release, 3/31 it fails, 4/1 turns out it's April Fool's? LMAO[2017-3-26. : 1:49 pm] outlawpoet -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: "No plans [to add balance patches]. As you’ve pointed out, new strategies are still emerging and we agree that changes are unnecessary." Blizzard knows of our new cheese O_O which new cheese?[2017-3-26. : 1:48 pm] Dem0n -- "No plans [to add balance patches]. As you’ve pointed out, new strategies are still emerging and we agree that changes are unnecessary." Blizzard knows of our new cheese O_O[2017-3-26. : 1:48 pm] outlawpoet -- yeah I guess it's just to ensure they retain the korean market. without fish they lose their largest community[2017-3-26. : 1:47 pm] Moose -- iCCup isn't bad, though the players on Fish are probably much much better on average.[2017-3-26. : 1:46 pm] outlawpoet -- oh well, I'll stop freaking out about it. but this is like, the last bastion of broodwar for me. I learned korean and play with 200 ping to keep playing these games. if they fuck it up I will actually cry[2017-3-26. : 1:45 pm] Moose -- Seeing Fish integration probably surprised me most about those patch notes on TL. That would add native support for a private server they don't own. It would be like adding iCCup.[2017-3-26. : 1:44 pm] outlawpoet -- well if fish is integrated into the new game, to quote my korean friend, "That's complete death of fish ums almost"[2017-3-26. : 1:41 pm] Moose -- So you could expect most things that relied on extended anything to break it.[2017-3-26. : 1:41 pm] Dem0n -- I somehow broke some map by unprotecting it and the strings got all messed up, so we were seeing location names in display text messages[2017-3-26. : 1:40 pm] Moose -- So wherever the extended players cause the game to hit in memory ... you can't guarantee the same bytes will be there.[2017-3-26. : 1:40 pm] outlawpoet -- right, and that's the same basis for the EUD mods pretty sure, I never fucked with EUD mapmaking much tho[2017-3-26. : 1:40 pm] TF- -- wouldn't mind seeing how my maps look in this thing, I used very few EUDs kek[2017-3-26. : 1:39 pm] Moose -- Well, extended supply is based on placing units for extended players, yeah?[2017-3-26. : 1:39 pm] outlawpoet -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: you can just play 1.16.1 if you want if they don't kill fish, ya[2017-3-26. : 1:38 pm] TF- -- https://static.starcraft.com/images/content/races/terran/terran-bust-e0247dcce167c6840381dbf4e98387fd87634a28df88063be0ad67f9d3a33b388872c52dcba4a9ac66a596d87db77be7babcacce56d63e8ed2a72a43e2369249.png lol[2017-3-26. : 1:38 pm] outlawpoet -- I know, but extended supply and some other stuff is a major part of maps that don't even use EUD stuff. I'd assume that removing the one would remove the other. RIP diplo infinity[2017-3-26. : 1:37 pm] Dem0n -- EUDs are literally exploits that mappers use. Blizzard doesn't really have a reason to keep them around.[2017-3-26. : 1:36 pm] outlawpoet -- more pain and sadness I suppose. Fish works fine right now though, I even learned hangul~[2017-3-26. : 1:36 pm] Moose -- outlawpoetoutlawpoet shouted: "[We are] actively communicating with custom map developers. Custom maps are closely related with their communities." From an interview. Who are they talking to? Not to me. Dem0nDem0n shouted: Who are you Very good Civ World player back in the day[2017-3-26. : 1:35 pm] outlawpoet -- Sup moose. current topic of discussion is how custom maps are getting fucked again[2017-3-26. : 1:30 pm] IskatuMesk -- then again they did some weird stuff with Starcrafts so I guess it isn't possible, they have grown pretty fond of offloading costs to other parties[2017-3-26. : 1:28 pm] outlawpoet -- yeah, I don't blame them for trying to fix it, but wdetector and fish don't have hacking or cheating problems really...[2017-3-26. : 1:28 pm] IskatuMesk -- for example you can make cloaking plainly visible by just hotloading a pcx file[2017-3-26. : 1:27 pm] IskatuMesk -- I wouldn't really blame them for it either, the stuff you can do in bw easily allows you to cheat pretty severely without ever using a memory mod[2017-3-26. : 1:26 pm] IskatuMesk -- I don't know enough about UED to predict that. All I really see atm is b.ent 2 and their hatred towards mods ensuring that remastered will be totally barren of customs like sc2 is[2017-3-26. : 1:25 pm] outlawpoet -- idk. just really curious to see how they handle the weird shit from decades ago. basically all popular UMS maps in korea use EUD atm[2017-3-26. : 1:24 pm] IskatuMesk -- ifit's compatible with the original bw it's not likely that stuff would have changed much[2017-3-26. : 1:23 pm] IskatuMesk -- they probably just ran it through a filter, after all the wc3 graphics they put in sc2 were put through a 3ds max script that didn't even handle the materials properly LMAO[2017-3-26. : 1:22 pm] NudeRaider -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: The 4k thing is interesting, but with a 256x256 you're gonna see the whole fucking thing LMAO iirc a terrain tile has 32 pixels. 32* 256 = 8192 => with 4k you can actually fully display a 128x64 map. Still hilarious.[2017-3-26. : 1:21 pm] TF- -- but I have a feeling they did that by hiring 100 monkeys to edit every separate 16x16 tile in Photoshop, and not re-render anything[2017-3-26. : 1:20 pm] TF- -- there is something notable they did though, which is actually update all the terrain tiles |
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