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[2017-5-24. : 1:13 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Notice how I didn't need to bring race in here as a sole factor. I brought up wealth, or job placements. Actual metrics that are independent of race False because shit like slavery, institutional racism (Police, Redlining e.t.c) play a part in wealth accumilation.[2017-5-24. : 1:12 am]  CecilSunkure -- Notice how I didn't need to bring race in here as a sole factor. I brought up wealth, or job placements. Actual metrics that are independent of race[2017-5-24. : 1:11 am] CecilSunkure -- Maybe there's a disparity, because certain laws or programs make A really poor. In that case something should be done... But many actions may harm group A, instead of helping them[2017-5-24. : 1:11 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Well if the population is something like 10% A and 90% B, where A and B are races. I would expect those percentages to mostly permeate naturally through the society I'm not going to complain about 20%/80% A B. I will complain about 5%/95%.[2017-5-24. : 1:10 am] CecilSunkure -- And if there's a disparage somewhere, then there may or may not be an problem. For example, perhaps race A culturally really hates certain jobs, and they willingly create a desparity[2017-5-24. : 1:09 am] CecilSunkure -- Well if the population is something like 10% A and 90% B, where A and B are races. I would expect those percentages to mostly permeate naturally through the society[2017-5-24. : 1:07 am] rockz -- IDK a good answer for hiring other than something like universal income and increased taxes for rich people to pay for this stuff.[2017-5-24. : 1:05 am] rockz -- Yeah, a big thing is pay equality. There's literally no excuse there. Hiring equality I'm willing to ignore a bit.[2017-5-24. : 1:05 am] CecilSunkure -- Alright I think I get your perspective. You have an ideal built up in your mind, and prefer methods that you think will help get closer to that ideal[2017-5-24. : 1:04 am] rockz -- Also, in an ideal world/situation, people don't have an issue FINDING a job, which I think is a major issue for today's white males who feel like they're being negatively affected by racism[2017-5-24. : 1:03 am] CecilSunkure -- Helping people in need, and diversifying problem solving. In essence[2017-5-24. : 1:02 am] CecilSunkure -- OK, so you want to help minorities, and you really like the concept of diversity in the workplace. These sound like really positive desires to me[2017-5-24. : 1:00 am] CecilSunkure -- Do you think hiring off of race is racist? And do you think racism is bad?[2017-5-24. : 12:58 am] rockz -- Never said I'd break the law. We're talking hypotheticals. If it were in today's society, I'd base it off references and a computer. No need to interview the person at all.[2017-5-24. : 12:56 am] CecilSunkure -- And since the hypothetical situation is assuming all things equal except race... It does sound like you're just admitting to being willing to break that kind of law[2017-5-24. : 12:55 am] CecilSunkure -- I see, well making hiring decisions based on race is actually illegal[2017-5-24. : 12:53 am] rockz -- Depends on how many black guys I had working for me, and if they were fairly close to the same metrics of performance[2017-5-24. : 12:53 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: I don't think people are created equal, but we should strive to be treated mostly as equals. Some people are better at math, some are better at confusing me with poor english like broflamingo. Dat white race bro XD[2017-5-24. : 12:52 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: These small changes usually end up in minor differences both in looks but also in behavior and ideas/methods of thinking Lmao you getting him triggered XD[2017-5-24. : 12:51 am]  Oh_Man -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Oh_Man Aussies are pure awesome. This a is a scientific fact. damn straight[2017-5-24. : 12:51 am] CecilSunkure -- So you'd hire this black guy in our hypothetical situation over yet another white guy, because his genetics are different?[2017-5-24. : 12:50 am] rockz -- These small changes usually end up in minor differences both in looks but also in behavior and ideas/methods of thinking[2017-5-24. : 12:49 am] rockz -- I don't think people are created equal, but we should strive to be treated mostly as equals. Some people are better at math, some are better at confusing me with poor english like broflamingo.[2017-5-24. : 12:43 am] rockz -- So I would rather they be over represented in the workforce, as long as they make the same thing as their white coworkers.[2017-5-24. : 12:43 am] rockz -- Well, I live in Oregon, which is a white refuge where it was illegal for blacks to live for about 100 years. We don't have many black people, and I think they can add a lot of perspective to design and work, moreso than YET ANOTHER WHITE GUY.[2017-5-24. : 12:39 am] rockz -- However, this is really hard to do, and multiple factors are necessary. We can't expect to have 50% female STEM penetration.[2017-5-24. : 12:38 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Or at least be pretty close I think that minorities should be over-represented, because otherwise you get really really small isolated groups of minorities.[2017-5-24. : 12:36 am] CecilSunkure -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure I don't have any proof to say that diversity increases productivity, but people who think the same working together aren't particularly useful in every setting I'm sure we'd both agree having diversity reflect the population percentages would be ideal[2017-5-24. : 12:35 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Sounds like race is a racist metric. Instead, other metrics should be brought up that help to flesh out a better defnition of "merit". Metrics that might be intended as implication in race/gender I don't have any proof to say that diversity increases productivity, but people who think the same working together aren't particularly useful in every setting[2017-5-24. : 12:34 am] jjf28 -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: jjf28 So mean jjf28...Is it not okay for me to boil down his talking points and save us the headache ? by my standards not if you're being obnoxious and not contributing anything of value for several lines in a row[2017-5-24. : 12:33 am] CecilSunkure -- Metrics like having a great understanding of specific cultures, or have merits in the understanding of women psychology in a certain age group[2017-5-24. : 12:33 am] Broflamingo -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Broflamingo tbh mute Bro So mean jjf28...Is it not okay for me to boil down his talking points and save us the headache ? [2017-5-24. : 12:31 am] jjf28 -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure Here cecil lemme save you lines of nonsense "IM WHITE WHERES MY JERB. GRR FEMINISM, LIBRULS, CALIFORNIA BLARRGGHH" tbh mute Bro [2017-5-24. : 12:31 am] CecilSunkure -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure Maybe? It's a thin line here. I think that diversity in itself is a bit racist/sexist too. I have a feeling that by diversifying their workforce, a company has increased productivity over a 90% white male workforce. Sounds like race is a racist metric. Instead, other metrics should be brought up that help to flesh out a better defnition of "merit". Metrics that might be intended as implication in race/gender[2017-5-24. : 12:31 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Isn't that just plain racist though? Here cecil lemme save you lines of nonsense "IM WHITE WHERES MY JERB. GRR FEMINISM, LIBRULS, CALIFORNIA BLARRGGHH"[2017-5-24. : 12:30 am] jjf28 -- err not quotas based on early-life advantages per say, but giving a leg up to such people in some way*[2017-5-24. : 12:29 am] jjf28 -- pretty sure we had this debate already and roughly concluded: diversity quotas are inferior to quotas based on peoples level of early-life advantage, and that they're not necessarily racist because they aren't based on a sense of genetic or cultural superiority[2017-5-24. : 12:29 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure Maybe? It's a thin line here. I think that diversity in itself is a bit racist/sexist too. I have a feeling that by diversifying their workforce, a company has increased productivity over a 90% white male workforce. "DEY TURK UR JERBZ"[2017-5-24. : 12:28 am] Broflamingo -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Yall need more australians Aussies are pure awesome. This a is a scientific fact.[2017-5-24. : 12:28 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Isn't that just plain racist though? Maybe? It's a thin line here. I think that diversity in itself is a bit racist/sexist too. I have a feeling that by diversifying their workforce, a company has increased productivity over a 90% white male workforce.[2017-5-24. : 12:28 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Isn't that just plain racist though? You are hurting my feelings, I'm offering you some trumpnutz with extra salt. You aren't gonna take the offer?[2017-5-24. : 12:27 am] rockz -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure It's not racist because whitewashing is usually a problem, for PROFITS. Not "OMG HES WHITE LIBRUL RAGE XD" oy ya fockin poof, git out me country[2017-5-24. : 12:26 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Isn't that just plain racist though? It's not racist because whitewashing is usually a problem, for PROFITS. Not "OMG HES WHITE LIBRUL RAGE XD"[2017-5-24. : 12:25 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Isn't that just plain racist though? Bro you gonna love the extra salt on these man[2017-5-24. : 12:25 am] CecilSunkure -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure There's significant merit in diversity. Whitewashing is usually a problem. I don't really have an issue with an asian getting a job over a white person who is mildly more qualified if it helps diversity, as long as they get paid the same. Isn't that just plain racist though?[2017-5-24. : 12:24 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Specifically in California, companies need less Indians/Asians, and less white people. That's the whole point of the diversity quotas Brooooooooooo I got these trumpnutz mmmaaaannnn[2017-5-24. : 12:24 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure There's significant merit in diversity. Whitewashing is usually a problem. I don't really have an issue with an asian getting a job over a white person who is mildly more qualified if it helps diversity, as long as they get paid the same. Well said sir.[2017-5-24. : 12:23 am] CecilSunkure -- Specifically in California, companies need less Indians/Asians, and less white people. That's the whole point of the diversity quotas[2017-5-24. : 12:23 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Also visas seem irrelevant, since the discussion was racism, and diversity quotas are based on race, not nationality There's significant merit in diversity. Whitewashing is usually a problem. I don't really have an issue with an asian getting a job over a white person who is mildly more qualified if it helps diversity, as long as they get paid the same.[2017-5-24. : 12:22 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Also visas seem irrelevant, since the discussion was racism, and diversity quotas are based on race, not nationality Indians aren't of a different race? Or Asians? Did not mention it had cross-currents? Bro, these trumpnutz have extra you gotta taste them.[2017-5-24. : 12:21 am] CecilSunkure -- Also visas seem irrelevant, since the discussion was racism, and diversity quotas are based on race, not nationality[2017-5-24. : 12:21 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Why bring up that it's not law? Because you straw man'd me here Broflamingo ya ya ya strawman, argument process, blah blah. Brofla ownage.[2017-5-24. : 12:20 am] CecilSunkure -- Why bring up that it's not law? Because you straw man'd me here BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure H1-B1 visas are the main culprit. Its a pledge, not a mandate. No its it canon in Law. Gotta read up son, want some trumpnutz, got a can right here  [2017-5-24. : 12:19 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Nobody said diversity quotas were law Seriously tho fam, I got some trumpnutz here want some?[2017-5-24. : 12:19 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Nobody said diversity quotas were law Duh, thats why it makes that article even more of a joke. Why even bring that up. |
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