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[2017-5-24. : 2:09 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Broflamingo can't understand falls under can't convince. CECIL SUNKKKKKKK UR SHIP BRO Can't be me son, doesn't work when you do it. BROWNAGE.[2017-5-24. : 2:08 am]  CecilSunkure -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure Or you cannot understand mwahahahahha. BROWNAGE. can't understand falls under can't convince. CECIL SUNKKKKKKK UR SHIP BRO[2017-5-24. : 2:08 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Broflamingo it aint a gem of knowledge to anyone unless you can convince them it's a gem of knowledge Or you cannot understand mwahahahahha. BROWNAGE.[2017-5-24. : 2:07 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: I think there's a strong argument to be made that race is irrelevant in every meaningful scenario, when it comes to laws and regulations Be humbled in Brofla's presence[2017-5-24. : 2:06 am] rockz -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: rockz I did. Don Broflamingo drop gems of knowledge and give you the fruit of the universe. All i get are smokes screens and arguments about process and logic. Enough Tomfoolery, Brofla commands it. You are a liar because CecilSunkure never typed "T H E R E I S A S T R O N G A R G U M E N T...." into the shoutbox. What you said is factually incorrect, which is not the truth, although may not be a lie.[2017-5-24. : 2:06 am] CecilSunkure -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: rockz I did. Don Broflamingo drop gems of knowledge and give you the fruit of the universe. All i get are smokes screens and arguments about process and logic. Enough Tomfoolery, Brofla commands it. it aint a gem of knowledge to anyone unless you can convince them it's a gem of knowledge[2017-5-24. : 2:06 am] Voyager7456 -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Voyager7456 Ah that's true. Well to be more careful, I'd say it's moot to argue which racism is worse in the context of allowing any to be acceptable Fair enough.[2017-5-24. : 2:05 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: Broflamingo Just tell the truth and don't lie. That's all I ask. I did. Don Broflamingo drop gems of knowledge and give you the fruit of the universe. All i get are smokes screens and arguments about process and logic. Enough Tomfoolery, Brofla commands it.[2017-5-24. : 2:04 am] CecilSunkure -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: I think it's not moot in the sense that we have limited resources for things like affirmative action and we should apply those to those who need it the most. Ah that's true. Well to be more careful, I'd say it's moot to argue which racism is worse in the context of allowing any to be acceptable[2017-5-24. : 2:03 am] rockz -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: rockz Silence. Don Broflamingo has had enough of your petty insults and lack of understanding. Just tell the truth and don't lie. That's all I ask.[2017-5-24. : 2:03 am] Voyager7456 -- I think it's not moot in the sense that we have limited resources for things like affirmative action and we should apply those to those who need it the most.[2017-5-24. : 2:02 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: Broflamingo http://i.imgur.com/4yUm4s3.png only you have said that. Silence. Don Broflamingo has had enough of your petty insults and lack of understanding.[2017-5-24. : 2:01 am] CecilSunkure -- Personally I think it's moot to really get into details about which is worse[2017-5-24. : 2:00 am] Voyager7456 -- Racism and discrimination from a place of power will always be worse, although obviously it's all bad[2017-5-24. : 2:00 am] rockz -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure Then you should read...let me help you "T H E R E I S A S T R O N G A R G U M E N T...." i believe you wrote that right? http://i.imgur.com/4yUm4s3.png only you have said that.[2017-5-24. : 1:59 am] Voyager7456 -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: OK I think your logic is good, but I would challenge "racism against a majority is not as bad as racism against a minority" in 2 ways. 1) A lot of people prefer a zero-tolerance policy to racism, and won't agree with your argument; 2) Racism against a majority might have the drastic effect of amplification. Perhaps since the majority faces racism, a problem proportional to that majority could arise Racism against the majority isn't generally as bad because the majority tends to hold the political + economic power. There can be exceptions though. (Not exactly the same, but Iraq's Sunni minority exerted considerable power and discriminated against the Shi'ites)[2017-5-24. : 1:56 am] CecilSunkure -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure Now you can read, whatever. I'm gonna watch some memes. I've dumped on this argument 100x before. Good day man. What argument? I said there might be an argument. What is the argument!?[2017-5-24. : 1:54 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Broflamingo I said I think there is a strong argument, but nobody actually stated what that might be Now you can read, whatever. I'm gonna watch some memes. I've dumped on this argument 100x before. Good day man.[2017-5-24. : 1:53 am] CecilSunkure -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure Then you should read...let me help you "T H E R E I S A S T R O N G A R G U M E N T...." i believe you wrote that right? I said I think there is a strong argument, but nobody actually stated what that might be[2017-5-24. : 1:51 am] CecilSunkure -- OK I think your logic is good, but I would challenge "racism against a majority is not as bad as racism against a minority" in 2 ways. 1) A lot of people prefer a zero-tolerance policy to racism, and won't agree with your argument; 2) Racism against a majority might have the drastic effect of amplification. Perhaps since the majority faces racism, a problem proportional to that majority could arise[2017-5-24. : 1:51 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Broflamingo I honestly don't know what you're getting at :s Then you should read...let me help you "T H E R E I S A S T R O N G A R G U M E N T...." i believe you wrote that right?[2017-5-24. : 1:50 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: Broflamingo, your insults suck and don't make any logical sense. Not my fault you are too slow.[2017-5-24. : 1:48 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Yeah me too. I'm just trying to separate race from other metrics. Like I said earlier, usually people go for diversity hires because they assume the race diversity comes with diversity of useful metrics. I'm just challenging that assumption Well, to be fair, racism against a majority is not as bad as racism against a minority, and for that reason, I'd push race over wealth/income/background. I'd push gender over race. If it weren't illegal at least.[2017-5-24. : 1:44 am] CecilSunkure -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure you have 2 demographics there, both of which could be useful. I don't know how to orient one or the other. I would probably hire the guy from the small town over the city-goer if my workforce consisted solely of citygoers and I had a decent number of black workers. Yeah me too. I'm just trying to separate race from other metrics. Like I said earlier, usually people go for diversity hires because they assume the race diversity comes with diversity of useful metrics. I'm just challenging that assumption[2017-5-24. : 1:43 am] CecilSunkure -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure CecilSunkure CecilSunkure OWned hoe I honestly don't know what you're getting at :s[2017-5-24. : 1:42 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: I mean, if someone wanted to hire the black guy because he's from a city, and the white guy is from a small town, and the product is targetting city-goers... Then it's not racist you have 2 demographics there, both of which could be useful. I don't know how to orient one or the other. I would probably hire the guy from the small town over the city-goer if my workforce consisted solely of citygoers and I had a decent number of black workers.[2017-5-24. : 1:41 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: I think there's a strong argument to be made that race is irrelevant in every meaningful scenario, when it comes to laws and regulations CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: For example, the national draft doesn't draft women into frontlines... Because men and women are physically different. So in this case it's obvious genders shouldn't be treated literally as equal CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Why do you think these kinds of differences are so bad? OWned hoe[2017-5-24. : 1:36 am] CecilSunkure -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure So not matter how times you put a different dress on that argument, that bitch is an owned hoe. What argument?[2017-5-24. : 1:36 am] CecilSunkure -- But if we hire him because he's black, and we assume that he's from a city. Racism.[2017-5-24. : 1:35 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Broflamingo Sure, that's why there are laws and regulations. That's also why it's really important to clearly define and separate the differences. Example: race is not culture, race is not nationality, but both culture and nationality are important differences So not matter how times you put a different dress on that argument, that bitch is an owned hoe.[2017-5-24. : 1:35 am] CecilSunkure -- I mean, if someone wanted to hire the black guy because he's from a city, and the white guy is from a small town, and the product is targetting city-goers... Then it's not racist[2017-5-24. : 1:34 am] rockz -- So if you are at 40%/60% A and B, but the national/local workforce average is 20%/80%, you probably don't want to add more. If the population is 10%/90% but the workforce average is 20%/80%, then I would rather use the workforce average than the population average, as that's mostly free choice.[2017-5-24. : 1:33 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Broflamingo Sure, that's why there are laws and regulations. That's also why it's really important to clearly define and separate the differences. Example: race is not culture, race is not nationality, but both culture and nationality are important differences Like I said: This tired argument has been beaten to death. It's a political dog whistle, so no matter how erudite you may try to sound, this argument has been used before in arguments for segregation, wealth discrimination, and academic discrimination against the cultural or racial "other". You might sound nice to your soft-racist in group. But the Don Broflamingo sees right through it.[2017-5-24. : 1:31 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Flat, across the board diversity percentages can be highly unfair to a lot of people, due to differences between people Well that's where the workforce exists. People have free will to choose jobs they want to choose. If you overrepresent the minority in a job market, you will reach a saturation point where adding more of a particular minority will likely harm your business.[2017-5-24. : 1:29 am] CecilSunkure -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure But of course it never happens that way, and it never does. Sure, that's why there are laws and regulations. That's also why it's really important to clearly define and separate the differences. Example: race is not culture, race is not nationality, but both culture and nationality are important differences[2017-5-24. : 1:29 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Just trying to make the point that if people have differences, then in an ideal world, perhaps uneven percentages, numbers, and representations would be best All for what? So you don't have to whine and complain anymore because you want a job. Give me a break.[2017-5-24. : 1:26 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: (of course, not counting race as a difference) But of course it never happens that way, and it never does.[2017-5-24. : 1:25 am] CecilSunkure -- Flat, across the board diversity percentages can be highly unfair to a lot of people, due to differences between people[2017-5-24. : 1:25 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Just trying to make the point that if people have differences, then in an ideal world, perhaps uneven percentages, numbers, and representations would be best aka racism/discrimination back please XD[2017-5-24. : 1:24 am] CecilSunkure -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure Rephrase that. Not sure what you're asking Just trying to make the point that if people have differences, then in an ideal world, perhaps uneven percentages, numbers, and representations would be best[2017-5-24. : 1:23 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Why do you think these kinds of differences are so bad? Rephrase that. Not sure what you're asking[2017-5-24. : 1:23 am] CecilSunkure -- If two people are different, shouldn't they be treated fairly, not literally equally in terms of raw numbers and percentages?[2017-5-24. : 1:22 am] CecilSunkure -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure make sure it represents the work force properly. Gender differences are much more prominent than race differences, so I think we need to take a gradual approach to the balance of diversity, but that's also why I think that over-representing minorities is important so that it's able to balance out faster. Why do you think these kinds of differences are so bad?[2017-5-24. : 1:21 am]  Jack -- rockzrockz shouted: CecilSunkure make sure it represents the work force properly. Gender differences are much more prominent than race differences, so I think we need to take a gradual approach to the balance of diversity, but that's also why I think that over-representing minorities is important so that it's able to balance out faster. If every workplace overrepresented minorities wouldn't you run out of minorities to hire?[2017-5-24. : 1:21 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: I think there's a strong argument to be made that race is irrelevant in every meaningful scenario, when it comes to laws and regulations then of course when all the regulations/protections go away for minorities and de jure discrimination comes back in we always get the "Why don't the nigs/spics/kikes ever get it together"[2017-5-24. : 1:20 am] rockz -- I don't have a problem with women in the military or in dangerous jobs. I think there should be much more.[2017-5-24. : 1:20 am] rockz -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Well I'm not really sure what "treat them equally" means. It sounds nice, but what does it really mean? make sure it represents the work force properly. Gender differences are much more prominent than race differences, so I think we need to take a gradual approach to the balance of diversity, but that's also why I think that over-representing minorities is important so that it's able to balance out faster.[2017-5-24. : 1:17 am] Broflamingo -- rockzrockz shouted: Broflamingo You're a pair of breasts? Little late there, gotta be quicker on the draw.[2017-5-24. : 1:16 am] jjf28 -- it could help build bridges between communities that would otherwise be fairly isolated (by language/socio-economic factors)[2017-5-24. : 1:16 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: I think there's a strong argument to be made that race is irrelevant in every meaningful scenario, when it comes to laws and regulations P.S: Tell that to the voter suppression squads and leglislators in every state.[2017-5-24. : 1:15 am] CecilSunkure -- For example, the national draft doesn't draft women into frontlines... Because men and women are physically different. So in this case it's obvious genders shouldn't be treated literally as equal[2017-5-24. : 1:15 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: rockz Well I'm not really sure what "treat them equally" means. It sounds nice, but what does it really mean? Political dog whistles for dayz bro XD[2017-5-24. : 1:14 am] CecilSunkure -- rockzrockz shouted: Race, gender, sexual orientation, background, wealth, all of these are groups of diversity and I think it's OK to treat them equally in an ideal world. Well I'm not really sure what "treat them equally" means. It sounds nice, but what does it really mean?[2017-5-24. : 1:14 am] rockz -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Jack Beat it. I'm bust, and your late. You're a pair of breasts?[2017-5-24. : 1:14 am] Broflamingo -- JackJack shouted: Broflamingo Affirmative action is by definition institutional racism Beat it. I'm bust, and your late.[2017-5-24. : 1:14 am] Jack -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: CecilSunkure False because shit like slavery, institutional racism (Police, Redlining e.t.c) play a part in wealth accumilation. Affirmative action is by definition institutional racism[2017-5-24. : 1:13 am] Broflamingo -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: I think there's a strong argument to be made that race is irrelevant in every meaningful scenario, when it comes to laws and regulations Yes we know, right-wingers and racists love this argument. Like i said back to the same old shit.[2017-5-24. : 1:13 am] rockz -- Race, gender, sexual orientation, background, wealth, all of these are groups of diversity and I think it's OK to treat them equally in an ideal world.[2017-5-24. : 1:13 am] CecilSunkure -- I think there's a strong argument to be made that race is irrelevant in every meaningful scenario, when it comes to laws and regulations |
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