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[2017-6-10. : 2:18 pm]  lil-Inferno -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: that's why was saying stop being offended. Don't take the mere mention of the word as a red flag. Look at the what it was said and why. Make your distinction there. THen you can easily point out those that DO have racist intentions. The only thing that matters is how other people interpret what you say.[2017-6-10. : 1:16 pm]  Moose -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider You mistake disgust for sensitivity. If I'm in a restaurant where the other patrons are screaming profanity, I'm not cowering under my bed but I'm sure as hell not eating there again. Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Not to mention if I'm just some guy stopping by to download Cat and Mouse COLORS!!!! v5000 FIXED! or whatever and I just catch a glimpse of the shoutbox, do you think I'm going to make a snap judgement or sit down and read 30 pages of context? What if you in this restaurant or this hypothetical guy sees roughly a page of Pr0 and Bro going back and forth about being 12 and raging about fuck bitches get money or w/e LMAO[2017-6-10. : 6:20 am]  Pr0nogo -- yeah i think that's all most people are asking for, glad you're open minded about it[2017-6-10. : 6:17 am] NudeRaider -- ya I know. But it's who I am in my natural habitat.  And as long as there's no rules against using red flag words, I will continue. It's not like I'm on a rampage and will spam it every day or every week. I don't even use it intentionally at all. But if these occasions are deemed detrimental to SEN (by an official capacity) I will of course stop. I won't put my personal views above SEN rules.[2017-6-10. : 6:14 am] Pr0nogo -- starting a thread in lite discussion or whatever SD turned into would be a step in the right direction for a much more constructive discussion[2017-6-10. : 6:14 am] Pr0nogo -- i know you're trying to shed light on this but people aren't coming to SEN for that, at least not expressly[2017-6-10. : 6:13 am] Pr0nogo -- yes, that's what i meant when i said Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: correcting psychological conditioning is a pretty difficult thing to do and Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: that's the conditioning i meant , haha[2017-6-10. : 6:13 am] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: correcting psychological conditioning is a pretty difficult thing to do nonono I don't want to condition people. I want to make aware of the fact that this conditioning exists, and how it's bad.#[2017-6-10. : 6:12 am] Pr0nogo -- but even so, it's rough to expect that from the average person in an environment that isn't geared towards it to begin with[2017-6-10. : 6:12 am] NudeRaider -- I mean not, "correct racism" (that too, but that's another topic) but I think one step towards that is listening to what a person has to say, not the words he uses. You can be easily be fooled by nice words.[2017-6-10. : 6:12 am] Pr0nogo -- ultimately nobody can stop you really, and while i personally don't care, i have been lambasted for using the term and plenty of people now avoid involving themselves with me, regardless of context[2017-6-10. : 6:11 am] Pr0nogo -- correcting psychological conditioning is a pretty difficult thing to do[2017-6-10. : 6:10 am] Pr0nogo -- and i wager that the argument most dissenters are making is that if you're average user joe on a site, go ahead, say whatever you want, but from a position of authority people won't be too receptive of that[2017-6-10. : 6:10 am] Pr0nogo -- i mean just the fact that we're still talking about it is evidence enough that it's a problem for some people[2017-6-10. : 6:09 am] NudeRaider -- mh okay, you're right. Nazi stuff is outdated. Racism still exists. (just barely here tho)[2017-6-10. : 6:08 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- calling it outdated will only raise a whole new argument xD[2017-6-10. : 6:07 am] NudeRaider -- ya. And I say don't raise a red flag if there was no ill intent. It's irritating and outdated conditioning.[2017-6-10. : 6:07 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- like I know you didn't mean it in an offensive way, but I agree with Voy that if someone were to glance in the shoutbox and see it they would very easily take it the wrong way[2017-6-10. : 6:06 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I don't know nuances of stuff like this, I guess it's just like societal/social conditioning that certain instances raise red flags [2017-6-10. : 6:05 am] NudeRaider -- uh... I guess I don't see why I can say it "for the sake of saying it" but can't use it in a joke.[2017-6-10. : 6:04 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- but it's still context ;o yours was using it casually (see Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: These kinds of people don't sit and analyze context - they go "Oh, they use the same language I do. I guess everyone feels the same way I do inside, this is normal and OK." ), I think what Samuel L Jackson was saying more of was how are you supposed to talk about something if you won't say it[2017-6-10. : 6:03 am] NudeRaider -- It's cool to see a famous person that wants to tear down the same wall that I do.[2017-6-10. : 6:02 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- and for the teacher one I was trying to find the boondock saints version but couldn't[2017-6-10. : 6:01 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billion the teacher admits he used it as an insult. It's absolutely right to denounce someone that inentionally insults someone. I've been using it both abstractly (not against a person) and within a joke. I think Samuel agrees.[2017-6-10. : 6:00 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- also I meant inappropriate in FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: NudeRaider there's a difference between not being afraid to use a word and using it in a misappropriate context ;o [2017-6-10. : 5:58 am] Voyager7456 -- Anyway, I have to go pack my entire life into boxes now so w/e I'm out[2017-6-10. : 5:58 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XURRzofbMc0&feature=youtu.be&t=1m13s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlNHXQCT_4[2017-6-10. : 5:57 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: I agree with Voy that it was an inappropraite context though ?? how so?[2017-6-10. : 5:56 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I agree with Voy that it was an inappropraite context though [2017-6-10. : 5:55 am] NudeRaider -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: NudeRaider there's a difference between not being afraid to use a word and using it in a misappropriate context ;o thank you.[2017-6-10. : 5:55 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: (of assuming I endorse racism, because I'm not afraid to use certain words) there's a difference between not being afraid to use a word and using it in a misappropriate context ;o[2017-6-10. : 5:54 am] Voyager7456 -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: I would imagine it doesn't carry the same cultural/historical weight in Europe as in America. (This was about the racial stuff, not the Nazi stuff - that I'm sure is the opposite)[2017-6-10. : 5:54 am] NudeRaider -- I can't say, but Nazi symbols are against the law here, so I'd consider it quite severe.[2017-6-10. : 5:53 am] Voyager7456 -- I would imagine it doesn't carry the same cultural/historical weight in Europe as in America.[2017-6-10. : 5:53 am] NudeRaider -- Btw. we have our own taboo words here. 'Hitler', 'Nazi' and all that. I use them in the same manner. Call me a Nazi and I'll laugh at you. Why go nuts about it? Don't "fight" fascism, laugh at them.[2017-6-10. : 5:51 am] Broflamingo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Broflamingo didn't care enough to know that distinction, and even now that I know I don't think I want to act upon it. Don't you (not you specifically) realize the hyprocrisy in it? "You can call me 'nigga' just fine, but call me a 'nigger' and shit will hit the fan!" - like wtf? That is just looking for an excuse to be offended, and I will not bend to that. But thanks for making me aware. You don't know the power of either word. Which screams of cultural and contextual, maybe historical ignorance.[2017-6-10. : 5:51 am] Voyager7456 -- Even though your intentions may be good, I think this is not a great hill to die on for the community.[2017-6-10. : 5:49 am] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: (of assuming I endorse racism, because I'm not afraid to use certain words) I'm afraid of neither words nor cigarettes - but I find both gross and potentially harmful.[2017-6-10. : 5:48 am] NudeRaider -- at the moment these people hold power over us (the language) and can hide their intentions as long as they use safe words. both is bad[2017-6-10. : 5:48 am] NudeRaider -- don't shy away from using them. If everyone uses it they need to make a distinction in what they say, not their language[2017-6-10. : 5:47 am] Voyager7456 -- Not to mention if I'm just some guy stopping by to download Cat and Mouse COLORS!!!! v5000 FIXED! or whatever and I just catch a glimpse of the shoutbox, do you think I'm going to make a snap judgement or sit down and read 30 pages of context?[2017-6-10. : 5:47 am] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: These kinds of people don't sit and analyze context - they go "Oh, they use the same language I do. I guess everyone feels the same way I do inside, this is normal and OK." And that my friend, is the reason, why I expressedly don[2017-6-10. : 5:46 am] NudeRaider -- (of assuming I endorse racism, because I'm not afraid to use certain words)[2017-6-10. : 5:46 am] Voyager7456 -- These kinds of people don't sit and analyze context - they go "Oh, they use the same language I do. I guess everyone feels the same way I do inside, this is normal and OK."[2017-6-10. : 5:46 am] NudeRaider -- show me that "like minded" guy. Let him talk to me about his racist views. I'll make sure he soon realizes his mistake. [2017-6-10. : 5:44 am] Voyager7456 -- I'm saying that it doesn't matter what the context is - what it does is convince others with hateful opinions that they've found a like-minded community and normalizes their attitudes.[2017-6-10. : 5:43 am] NudeRaider -- Ugh, that 2nd sentence got garbled. I'll rewrite: Look at the context of what was said and what its supposed to express.[2017-6-10. : 5:41 am] NudeRaider -- that's why was saying stop being offended. Don't take the mere mention of the word as a red flag. Look at the what it was said and why. Make your distinction there. THen you can easily point out those that DO have racist intentions.[2017-6-10. : 5:40 am] Voyager7456 -- And on a more SEN-related topic, it's seriously off-putting for new members. Given that SEN is under more attention and traffic than it has been in years, I would seriously consider avoiding that kind of thing.[2017-6-10. : 5:39 am] Voyager7456 -- Nude, the whole problem with these kinds of things is that even if you have no ill intent, it normalizes and encourages those who do[2017-6-10. : 5:39 am] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: I really do not have the time or patience to lecture you on why casual racism is problematic and it's not just an arbitrary taboo there was not a hint of racism behind that statement.[2017-6-10. : 5:38 am] Voyager7456 -- I really do not have the time or patience to lecture you on why casual racism is problematic and it's not just an arbitrary taboo[2017-6-10. : 5:36 am] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider NudeRaider "It's the Internet, stop being so offended" is a shitty excuse for shitty behavior, especially from someone in a position of authority. Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I thought "It's the Internet, stop being so offended" was what people used against the mods when they cleaned up shit, not the other way around LMAO Then it's a good thing I didn't show bad behavior, don't you think? After the explanations in the shoutbox I think Bromingo is the only one having done a reasonable assessment of the deed: BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Voyager7456 You are right NudeRaider Was in bad taste, you saw what happened to Bill Maher. If you want to make SEN platable or the hub of the UMS community words like that don't help. I showed bad taste. That seems to be the consensus, at least for you americans, so be it. I'll take the burden of bad taste on my shoulders in order to tear down arbitrary taboos.[2017-6-10. : 5:32 am] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider You mistake disgust for sensitivity. If I'm in a restaurant where the other patrons are screaming profanity, I'm not cowering under my bed but I'm sure as hell not eating there again. fair enough. Guess I can't tell you what to be disgusted of. But I am sorry that something I perceive as normal disgusted you.[2017-6-10. : 5:30 am] NudeRaider -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Pr0nogo Also right. You can play devils advocate with 'nigga' fine. But the 'R'.... didn't care enough to know that distinction, and even now that I know I don't think I want to act upon it. Don't you (not you specifically) realize the hyprocrisy in it? "You can call me 'nigga' just fine, but call me a 'nigger' and shit will hit the fan!" - like wtf? That is just looking for an excuse to be offended, and I will not bend to that. But thanks for making me aware.[2017-6-10. : 3:43 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider You mistake disgust for sensitivity. If I'm in a restaurant where the other patrons are screaming profanity, I'm not cowering under my bed but I'm sure as hell not eating there again. that just reminded me of that scene in clerks 2, except it was the employee saying it .. so even more appropriate? xD |
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