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[2017-11-29. : 9:29 pm]  lil-Inferno -- I guess you could just ally whoever's next to you but w/e, historically we've seen that doing that is too much for the mental capacity of most people[2017-11-29. : 9:21 pm]  Sie_Sayoka -- should play the 4v4s on melee so u dont have to wait an hour for each game[2017-11-29. : 6:40 pm] NudeRaider -- VraelVrael shouted: why the fuck does soda have to be so delicious because sugar[2017-11-29. : 6:01 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider people have cars, but most people aren't mechanics. people have computers, but most people aren't programmers. the mass market simply doesn't care about 3d printing people have 2d printers, but most people aren't painters. There's more uses than just to print a prototype. I guess it depends on how versatile these things will become. If all you can print are plastic figurines there won't be a big market, but if you can print most common household objects I see it taking off.[2017-11-29. : 1:10 pm] IskatuMesk -- the mass market only cares about mass, so they'll just keep eating, this is the American Dream, to become Big[2017-11-29. : 8:50 am] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: another truth bomb by Heinermann: http://www.staredit.net/368567/ That wasn't known?[2017-11-29. : 8:35 am] Lanthanide -- it's far more likely there'll be local ' community 3d printing shops, much like you can go to a print shop now to print out a poster, instead of owning a poster printer yourself[2017-11-29. : 8:34 am] Lanthanide -- there's never go to be a need for a 3d printer in every home, because mass production is going to be cheaper[2017-11-29. : 8:33 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Also about the scanning: It's entirely possible to create shapes with holes inside, as long as you scan from enough angles. Also portable ultra sound has just been invented. I could imagine those to be able to scan internal structures as well, once it becomes more precise. I'm not talking about hollow objects, I'm just talking about being able to print something in an efficient / fast way[2017-11-29. : 8:33 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: *) No reason the material is limited to plastic. You can melt metals too, maybe they'll find transparent compounds that can be used. but mixing materials up, and importantly printing electronics, is many years away, if ever[2017-11-29. : 8:33 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide oh I thought it was the verdict on all you said before. Because when things become easy to use, somewhat useful, and cheap enough they'll start to enter consumer market. Once that happens you can mass produce, which lowers prices even more and services around it will emerge. Then everyone can download models, buy the printing materials* in the mall, etc. Everything will become available and simple enough for average joe. people have cars, but most people aren't mechanics. people have computers, but most people aren't programmers. the mass market simply doesn't care about 3d printing[2017-11-29. : 7:37 am] NudeRaider -- another truth bomb by Heinermann: http://www.staredit.net/368567/[2017-11-29. : 3:51 am] Dem0n -- VraelVrael shouted: on my linux partition at the moment and I don't have wine to run sc, and I'm in the middle of a massive download with hours left so I can't switch to windows VraelVrael shouted: also the dl is consuming all my bandwidth so I would lag like hell Nice OS C|X^ D[2017-11-29. : 3:24 am] Vrael -- on my linux partition at the moment and I don't have wine to run sc, and I'm in the middle of a massive download with hours left so I can't switch to windows[2017-11-29. : 12:29 am] Suicidal Insanity -- Ran out of memory. Suddonly 15 programs crashed at once. Sounds like ALdaron on a small scale[2017-11-29. : 12:21 am]  Moose -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: the hardening  ... but  ... but ... but ... but ... but ... but ...[2017-11-28. : 10:07 pm] Moose -- https://www.whonix.org/wiki/System_Hardening_Checklist let's get paranoid[2017-11-28. : 7:59 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Corbo where is Batman when you need him? Nobody expects the Spanish batman ![2017-11-28. : 7:20 pm] Corbo -- VraelVrael shouted: Corbo do you think batman doesn't know when someone says batman? my mistake[2017-11-28. : 7:18 pm] Vrael -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: ayy Vrael, fite best of 3? O_O ya sure soon, maybe later today[2017-11-28. : 7:18 pm] Vrael -- CorboCorbo shouted: Do you just have a set up that lets you know when someone says batman on sen to come back? XD do you think batman doesn't know when someone says batman?[2017-11-28. : 6:12 pm] Corbo -- Do you just have a set up that lets you know when someone says batman on sen to come back? XD[2017-11-28. : 5:42 pm] Vrael -- CorboCorbo shouted: You also seem to be getting a bit defensive which is odd because I was agreeing with you. ur mom is getting a bit defensive OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH[2017-11-28. : 4:17 pm] Corbo -- You also seem to be getting a bit defensive which is odd because I was agreeing with you.[2017-11-28. : 4:16 pm] Corbo -- The reason for this is because sites that offer both services, modeling and printing, usually charge a lot for modeling where 3d printing actually has set prices depending on how much resin you use and stuff. In my country there are maybe 3 places that 3d print commercially and they have a fierce competition which is why their main bussiness is not actually in printing itself since it has a calculatable price, but rather, in 3d modelling because they can be like "ya that will require incredibly detailing. It will cost you 50k" sometimes i was even offered free printing of they made my models.[2017-11-28. : 4:11 pm] Corbo -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Corbo if you're hiring someone to design you a model, then it stands to reason that person has a 3d printer themselves, and can print it for you too what? Not all 3d modellers come printer included. I have before been asked to make models for printing and do not have a 3d printer myself[2017-11-28. : 7:52 am] NudeRaider -- CorboCorbo shouted: NudeRaider Some of us exclusively shout and post only while drunk, amirite? where is Batman when you need him?[2017-11-28. : 6:30 am] NudeRaider -- Also about the scanning: It's entirely possible to create shapes with holes inside, as long as you scan from enough angles. Also portable ultra sound has just been invented. I could imagine those to be able to scan internal structures as well, once it becomes more precise.[2017-11-28. : 6:27 am] NudeRaider -- *) No reason the material is limited to plastic. You can melt metals too, maybe they'll find transparent compounds that can be used.[2017-11-28. : 6:26 am] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider it doesn't contradict it. 3D printing (by itself) is never going to be popular. It's unclear that 3d scanning is ever going to become good enough quality / cheap enough for mass adoption oh I thought it was the verdict on all you said before. Because when things become easy to use, somewhat useful, and cheap enough they'll start to enter consumer market. Once that happens you can mass produce, which lowers prices even more and services around it will emerge. Then everyone can download models, buy the printing materials* in the mall, etc. Everything will become available and simple enough for average joe.[2017-11-28. : 5:27 am] zsnakezz -- usually the casual once every two year adderal induced rant is what you have to gauge your progress.[2017-11-28. : 5:26 am] zsnakezz -- i know my maps are not technical masterpieces, but i atleast want them to be played through and recognized for what they do right. And it happens rarely.[2017-11-28. : 5:25 am] zsnakezz -- so my wants and perspective may be a bit different than those who are just chillin and like things the way they are.[2017-11-28. : 5:25 am] zsnakezz -- i want my maps to be reviewed official by a skilled player, thats why i suggested it, but thats only because i have a butt ton of downloads without reviews[2017-11-28. : 5:24 am] zsnakezz -- both times i say nothing because both situations resolved themselves, people wanted a new editor, nobody wants a youtube channel to review starcraft[2017-11-28. : 5:23 am] zsnakezz -- me saying this game (since many others have this) needed a youtube channel, nobody cared.[2017-11-28. : 5:23 am] zsnakezz -- for example, saying the editor could use an overhaul and some quality of life improvements led to the community pushing multiple members doing it for free[2017-11-28. : 5:22 am] zsnakezz -- i read my replies the next day everytime. If anybody ever said anything interesting, i would add to it. Usually the community either guides itself or ignores random ideas[2017-11-28. : 5:14 am] Lanthanide -- that's actually a very computationally difficult problem to solve[2017-11-28. : 5:13 am] Lanthanide -- solid objects waste a lot of printed material, so you need algorithms that can structurally trim out unneeded content without weakening the overall structure (triangle lattices etc)[2017-11-28. : 5:13 am] Lanthanide -- because part of the problem with 3d scanning, is it can only make solid objects[2017-11-28. : 5:09 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide you realize that "3d printing is never going to take off for the masses" contradicts Lanthanide ? I was going to disagree with the former, while the latter says exactly what I think. it doesn't contradict it. 3D printing (by itself) is never going to be popular. It's unclear that 3d scanning is ever going to become good enough quality / cheap enough for mass adoption[2017-11-28. : 5:08 am] Lanthanide -- and if you DO happen to have 3D modelling skills, unless you actually have an interest as a hobby, or an on-going need for it, then again why would you buy your own printer?[2017-11-28. : 5:08 am] Lanthanide -- and again if you're buying pre-made models, why not just buy the pre-printed object? there are already online stores that print objects for you: https://www.shapeways.com[2017-11-28. : 5:07 am] Lanthanide -- why spend $$$$$ on a printer and then $$$$$ on people to design stuff for it, when you can just spend $$$$$ on the design and spend $ to get them to print it, likely on a higher quality machine than your $$$$$ could buy?[2017-11-28. : 5:06 am] Lanthanide -- CorboCorbo shouted: Lanthanide If the 3D printers dropped down cost as much as traditional printers (which they never will) at least in a proportional ratio, they would be worthwhile to get. You need not have 3d production skills to use it, just some sort of store that sells models "3d print ready" which already exists or you could hire a service to make a model for you, just like many people go to photoshopping services to make even small, simple banners to print. if you're hiring someone to design you a model, then it stands to reason that person has a 3d printer themselves, and can print it for you too[2017-11-28. : 4:06 am] Corbo -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Corbo Everyone pretty much has a 3d printer. It's called China. Is that right?[2017-11-28. : 4:03 am] Broflamingo -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: now if 3d scanning became reliable and cheap, then 3d printing could be a little more feasible, like if something broke you could glue it together, scan it and print a new one Good point didn't think about the scanning part.[2017-11-28. : 4:01 am] Broflamingo -- CorboCorbo shouted: Lanthanide If the 3D printers dropped down cost as much as traditional printers (which they never will) at least in a proportional ratio, they would be worthwhile to get. You need not have 3d production skills to use it, just some sort of store that sells models "3d print ready" which already exists or you could hire a service to make a model for you, just like many people go to photoshopping services to make even small, simple banners to print. Not to belittle your point Corbo, because I agree with everything that you said. When they became available to mass market, was a lot of hype but that's died down quite a bit. It's price point and consumer friendliness has not reached the right levels yet. |
