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[2018-3-15. : 2:36 am] thekian -- Actually, they frequently tell me that they aren't much good at speaking for themselves.[2018-3-15. : 2:35 am]  Lanthanide -- anyone being outside actors; the voices in your head may have, I can't speak for them (they can speak for themselves)[2018-3-15. : 2:35 am] Lanthanide -- that's quite a leap of assumption, and I don't think anyone 'forced' that upon you[2018-3-15. : 2:34 am] thekian -- No, but I -am- forced to assume that you are part of some anti-farmer group and you're pointing out that he used to be a farmer (something which is now, of course, an inherent part of him) to your fellows so that you may all kill him.[2018-3-15. : 2:33 am] Lanthanide -- "that person, who used to be a farmer, has a nice straw hat on today" is not agricultural[2018-3-15. : 2:33 am]  jjf28 -- thekianthekian shouted: An inherent property is a property that is inherent to a being. By the logic of something being "burned into their past", you are inherently related to toilets because you have gone to the bathroom. and I would totally agree that me and toilets are inherently related, being related is a very weak qualifier[2018-3-15. : 2:33 am] Lanthanide -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Lanthanide having some relation to agriculture though is permanent and inseparable, once they've done it it's burned into their past, and the relationship is there but that doesn't mean that if I talk about any aspect of someone who once was a farmer, that I'm engaging in an agricultural discussion, does it?[2018-3-15. : 2:32 am] jjf28 -- thekianthekian shouted: An inherent property is a property that is inherent to a being. By the logic of something being "burned into their past", you are inherently related to toilets because you have gone to the bathroom. need I point out that your definition here is entirely circular?[2018-3-15. : 2:31 am] thekian -- An inherent property is a property that is inherent to a being. By the logic of something being "burned into their past", you are inherently related to toilets because you have gone to the bathroom.[2018-3-15. : 2:30 am] jjf28 -- thekianthekian shouted: *Inherent relation yes, I used words equivalent to inherent, you could substitute inherent for "permanent and inseparable"[2018-3-15. : 2:28 am] jjf28 -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: yeah, people who are farmers don't cease to exist when they walk out of their farm gate having some relation to agriculture though is permanent and inseparable, once they've done it it's burned into their past, and the relationship is there[2018-3-15. : 2:18 am] Lanthanide -- the first is most likely talking about Trump in a political context, because he's a politician, however[2018-3-15. : 2:18 am] Lanthanide -- Trump is a poor debater -> not necessarily political, Trump is a poor debater of policy -> political[2018-3-15. : 2:17 am] thekian -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: ++ Now you have me trying to think of a way to put obnoxious bitwise addition[2018-3-15. : 2:16 am] Lanthanide -- that is, they have qualities common to people, that are separate from them also being farmers[2018-3-15. : 2:16 am] thekian -- This is actually some obnoxious nonsense about the philosophical meaning of 'inherently'.[2018-3-15. : 2:15 am] Lanthanide -- yeah, people who are farmers don't cease to exist when they walk out of their farm gate[2018-3-15. : 2:15 am] jjf28 -- you're un-substituting the definition, how is it justifiable to say a farmer is not inherently related to agriculture?[2018-3-15. : 2:14 am]  Moose -- thekianthekian shouted: Like "I shouldn't bother talking in the SEN shoutbox." thekianthekian shouted: Roy Mad but not wrong RoyRoy shouted: The Shoutbox was a mistake. [2018-3-15. : 2:14 am] thekian -- thekianthekian shouted: I believe the problem here lies within distinguishing the concept of a politician from a person who is a politician. jjf28jjf28 shouted: "a farmer is inherently agricultural" --> "a farmer is inherently related to agriculture" this also fits perfectly well? [2018-3-15. : 2:13 am] jjf28 -- "a farmer is inherently agricultural" --> "a farmer is inherently related to agriculture" this also fits perfectly well?[2018-3-15. : 2:13 am] Lanthanide -- as far as I can tell thekian you're just saying the same thing I said, and jjf already agreed with what I said[2018-3-15. : 2:12 am] thekian -- I believe the problem here lies within distinguishing the concept of a politician from a person who is a politician.[2018-3-15. : 2:12 am] thekian -- thekianthekian shouted: Any more than, say, a farmer is inherently agricultural. [2018-3-15. : 2:12 am] jjf28 -- thekianthekian shouted: jjf28 Again, a politician is not inherently political. if I substitute your definition of political this reads "A politician is not inherently related to politics" which is BS[2018-3-15. : 2:11 am] Lanthanide -- I mean knowing the principals is useful, but the actual calculations... |
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