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Fire_Kame shouted: Jack so criminalizing gay marriage and abortion minimizes federal oversight how?

Who says there needs to be a federal government who police those laws?

[2014-9-01. : 11:37 pm]

Jack -- payne

payne shouted: Jack sorry, what do you mean?

Politics tends to be liberal vs conservative, what you described is a system of government, not a spectrum of thought within that government (aka politics).

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jjf28 -- Roy

Roy shouted: But we all agree that we should legalize all drugs, right?

should totally legalize a pill that infects takers with an apocalyptic supervirus

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Jack shouted: Libertarianism is all about the government only running the police, and possibly the army, from my understanding of it.

so criminalizing gay marriage and abortion minimizes federal oversight how?

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Sand Wraith -- Zoan

Zoan shouted: Is communism even feasibly possible without any form of rulers holding the thing together?

Community leaders > rulers any day of the week.

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Jack -- Roy yeah

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payne -- Jack

Jack shouted: Payne that's not really political per se, is it? Isn't that more to do with system of government?

sorry, what do you mean?

[2014-9-01. : 11:36 pm]

Jack -- But if abortion is against the law then the police must enforce that law.

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Zoan -- Is communism even feasibly possible without any form of rulers holding the thing together?

[2014-9-01. : 11:35 pm]

Jack -- Libertarianism is all about the government only running the police, and possibly the army, from my understanding of it.

[2014-9-01. : 11:35 pm]

Roy -- But we all agree that we should legalize all drugs, right?

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Sand Wraith -- individualism* specifically.

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Fire_Kame -- unless this is another one of those lost-in-translation moments

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payne shouted: Sand Wraith the political compass has 2 dimensions: LEFT/RIGHT (capitalism versus communism) and BOTTOM/TOP (fascism versus anarchism)... all the possibilities are encompassed in that. Thus "Anarchism" is far from having to be linked with liberal ideas (though I am unsure what YOU mean by "liberal baggage" here)

I meant "liberal baggage" as in ideas such as individuality, hedonism, lack of social responsibilty, etc.

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Jack shouted: Fire_KameYeah what's that got to do with libertarian?

it steps on freedom of choice - that's great if you don't plan to take part in gay marriage or get an abortion, but a tenant of libertarianism is that every has the freedom to make these decisions for themselves

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Jack -- Payne that's not really political per se, is it? Isn't that more to do with system of government?

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jjf28 -- xD

[2014-9-01. : 11:34 pm]

Roy -- Probably because it's so hard to spell.

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Jack -- laissez faire is where it's at, pity there's not many places with a proper laissez faire setup

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payne -- Sand Wraith

Sand Wraith shouted: payne Eh? "Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for profit." (Wikipedia.)

no one is FORCED to make profit when its a privately owned business...

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Fire_Kame -- ah shit

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payne -- Sand Wraith

Sand Wraith shouted: payne Not sure about the anarchist comparison, as there is a lot of liberal baggage attached to it AFAIK.

the political compass has 2 dimensions: LEFT/RIGHT (capitalism versus communism) and BOTTOM/TOP (fascism versus anarchism)... all the possibilities are encompassed in that. Thus "Anarchism" is far from having to be linked with liberal ideas (though I am unsure what YOU mean by "liberal baggage" here)

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Fire_Kame shouted: Jack Really? I thought you had pretty conservative views on marriage and abortion?

Yeah what's that got to do with libertarian?

[2014-9-01. : 11:34 pm]

Roy -- If you register to vote, you get signed up for jury duty.

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Zoan -- payne

payne shouted: Zoan alright, get this: "communism" is a word that has a definition linked to it. In a socio-political debate, such a word is said to be what we have already stated: "stateless, moneyless, classless, post-scarcity". Thus, inevitable, communism IS anarchist.

Uhh.. Anarchy is in no way a good idea either.

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Jack --

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Jack shouted: I tend to be pretty libertarian, but then there are variations in libertarian thought anyway

Really? I thought you had pretty conservative views on marriage and abortion?

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jjf28 -- no true :moose:

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Jack -- baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more

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Moose -- No true Scotsman, no true Communism, no true Libertarians... what is real?

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payne shouted: Sand Wraith capitalism isn't necessarily and inherently profit based... (but it seems to be the current tendency)

Eh? "Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for profit." (Wikipedia.)

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Roy -- Nope.

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Jack -- Guys I pwned the job interview but I don't know if I want the job

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Fire_Kame -- Roy

Roy shouted: I didn't say I was a libertarian; that's just where I end up when I test myself.

are you registered with a party?

[2014-9-01. : 11:32 pm]

Roy -- I didn't say I was a libertarian; that's just where I end up when I test myself.

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Jack -- I tend to be pretty libertarian, but then there are variations in libertarian thought anyway

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Fire_Kame -- Roy

Roy shouted: Fire_Kame I'm a moderate libertarian by testing standards.

Libertarian is about as close as I can get, even though I do not agree with most of the core concepts behind the party itself and their extreme conclusions. Best of a bad situation, I suppose.

[2014-9-01. : 11:32 pm]

Jack -- This quote thing is great for multithreaded simultaneous conversations

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Fire_Kame shouted: Jack oh simmer jack, I was being remarkably flippant.

Text sucks for displaying emotions and such

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Roy -- Roy

Roy shouted: Fire_Kame I'm a moderate libertarian by testing standards.

I think the quote system is being abused.

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payne -- Sand Wraith

Sand Wraith shouted: payne Needs based as opposed to profits based, use value vs. market value, AFAIK.

capitalism isn't necessarily and inherently profit based... (but it seems to be the current tendency)

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Jack shouted: post-scarcity?

Not sure about the anarchist comparison, as there is a lot of liberal baggage attached to it AFAIK.

[2014-9-01. : 11:31 pm]

Zoan -- Jack

hahaha

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Jack shouted: Fire_Kame The hover of the image explains the message more clearly

oh simmer jack, I was being remarkably flippant.

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Roy -- Fire_Kame

Fire_Kame shouted: we used to have a thread a few versions ago where everyone took that political alignment test, I wonder where it went.

I'm a moderate libertarian by testing standards.

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Jack -- post-scarcity?

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payne -- In an anarchist society, you are NOT forced to share what you have...

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payne -- Zoan

Zoan shouted: payneNo, I did. I'm just wondering what the difference is between a communism where everything is shared equally, which I guess is called facist communism, and normal communism

alright, get this: "communism" is a word that has a definition linked to it. In a socio-political debate, such a word is said to be what we have already stated: "stateless, moneyless, classless, post-scarcity". Thus, inevitable, communism IS anarchist.

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jjf28 -- you're also too female for loveless :kame:

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Jack -- Just teach the robots to never be good enough to beat us

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Fire_Kame -- we used to have a thread a few versions ago where everyone took that political alignment test, I wonder where it went.

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Fire_Kame shouted: Jack T_T

The hover of the image explains the message more clearly

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Fire_Kame -- this forum is funny, I do believe I am too conservative for payne and too liberal for jack :awesome:

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payne shouted: Sand Wraith how is it better than what capitalism provides?

Needs based as opposed to profits based, use value vs. market value, AFAIK.

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Zoan -- I just don't know

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