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[2018-7-23. : 9:20 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- My guess is it doesn't, because jj28 doesn't have a time machine?  [2018-7-23. : 9:19 pm]  Wormer -- In the first place I want a tool that has a possibility to inject any types of trigger data into TRG not limited to a particular interpretation of parameters[2018-7-23. : 9:17 pm] Wormer -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: If you invent a new action type 255 which uses a string, that you added with a raw action parameter, that string would not be labeled as in use on map load I wonder how chkdraft handles this corner case?[2018-7-23. : 9:12 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- And if you are just setting the normal types of actions, why not just use the predefined action name?[2018-7-23. : 9:11 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: I'm guessing your design is quite a bit different and would require some fundamental changes Pretty sure the parser isn't vastly different. But I'm not worried about parsing. I'm worried about data consistency after reloading.[2018-7-23. : 9:10 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- If you invent a new action type 255 which uses a string, that you added with a raw action parameter, that string would not be labeled as in use on map load[2018-7-23. : 9:10 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- On map load each string on the string table is labeled with "Used N times by the map"[2018-7-23. : 9:07 pm] Wormer -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: I don't know what exactly you want to do, but if I understood it correctly I don't see how it can work with strings the same way any other action like display text works with strings, any pitfalls? [2018-7-23. : 9:07 pm] jjf28 -- I'm guessing your design is quite a bit different and would require some fundamental changes[2018-7-23. : 9:06 pm] jjf28 -- I handle each field by attempting to parse a few things out of it, for the text field it's just try for a string (has validations like looking for quotes, will return false if it fails), then try for a 4-byte number https://puu.sh/B1RTV/9c7c081726.png[2018-7-23. : 9:03 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- I don't know what exactly you want to do, but if I understood it correctly I don't see how it can work with strings [2018-7-23. : 8:50 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Wormer having something in CHKD or talking about adding something to CHKD also seems to be a good cudgel to hit SI over the head with to make him do something I heard that !  But cats [2018-7-23. : 8:46 pm] Wormer -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: it doesn't look like it's working in the latest download, I'll add it to the buglist yup it didn't work for me[2018-7-23. : 8:38 pm] jjf28 -- it doesn't look like it's working in the latest download, I'll add it to the buglist[2018-7-23. : 8:34 pm] jjf28 -- WormerWormer shouted: is there an option to put comments into extended table too? I think so...[2018-7-23. : 8:33 pm] Wormer -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Wormer having something in CHKD or talking about adding something to CHKD also seems to be a good cudgel to hit SI over the head with to make him do something Haha [2018-7-23. : 8:33 pm] jjf28 -- I'm not terribly concerned about usage until I finish the base features or SI goes MIA again[2018-7-23. : 8:32 pm] jjf28 -- WormerWormer shouted: Chkdraft need to be superior in only one thing to get used by people, and I look at these raw trigger entities stuff this way having something in CHKD or talking about adding something to CHKD also seems to be a good cudgel to hit SI over the head with to make him do something [2018-7-23. : 8:30 pm] Wormer -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: mm, I got irresolutely stuck on the naming there and started naming stuff like this: CndActGrid yeah exact the same problem arises when things getting into choosing names for identifiers in the code![2018-7-23. : 8:29 pm] jjf28 -- mm, I got irresolutely stuck on the naming there and started naming stuff like this: CndActGrid[2018-7-23. : 8:28 pm] Wormer -- nah I just always stuck with a good word to refer either for condition or action (anyone of these two)[2018-7-23. : 8:27 pm] jjf28 -- @ WormerWormer shouted: by the way, how we call condition or action collectively? is entity a good word for this? [2018-7-23. : 8:23 pm] Wormer -- by the way, how we call condition or action collectively? is entity a good word for this?[2018-7-23. : 8:20 pm] Wormer -- Chkdraft need to be superior in only one thing to get used by people, and I look at these raw trigger entities stuff this way[2018-7-23. : 8:17 pm] jjf28 -- the classic trigs are also supposed to be able to swap to the staredit/scmdraft style and dive into the grid only when editing[2018-7-23. : 8:16 pm] jjf28 -- mm , WormerWormer shouted: jjf28 an idea for another option: show conditions/actions as raw data :-) yea this is on the "eventually" agenda [2018-7-23. : 8:16 pm] Wormer -- you never know this until you start working seriously with it, gotta give it a shoot[2018-7-23. : 8:15 pm] jjf28 -- and auto-backs up the map before the first save/every save over 30 mins from the last one[2018-7-23. : 8:15 pm] jjf28 -- WormerWormer shouted: the main concern about use of chkdraft in serious mapping projects is the fear the map won't be saved "as it was" if I only edit triggers let's say not too much I can say on this, generally I touch nothing but what was changed, exceptions being recompiling the string section and updating the versioning sections depending on what save-as option (save as orig/hybrid/broodwar)[2018-7-23. : 8:14 pm] Wormer -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: ah also an options menu option in text trigger an idea for another option: show conditions/actions as raw data :-)[2018-7-23. : 8:13 pm] Wormer -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: no, anything using an extended death id just stays as death, memory is recognized by playerId overflow right[2018-7-23. : 8:12 pm] jjf28 -- no, anything using an extended death id just stays as death, memory is recognized by playerId overflow[2018-7-23. : 8:12 pm] Wormer -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: ah also an options menu option in text trigger I'm looking from my prespective [2018-7-23. : 8:11 pm] Wormer -- oh yeah, I've seen that! was wondering why it is there. now if the UID is at least deathTableStart then it's memory, else -- it's Set Deaths, right?[2018-7-23. : 8:09 pm] jjf28 -- orite, memory action now defaults to using the addresses rather than the... whatever it was in SCMD, there's an option in the .ini[2018-7-23. : 8:08 pm] Wormer -- the main concern about use of chkdraft in serious mapping projects is the fear the map won't be saved "as it was" if I only edit triggers let's say[2018-7-23. : 8:05 pm] Wormer -- Chkdraft text trigger is superior to SCMD Text in at least two ways: trigger flags and now raw condition/actions[2018-7-23. : 8:03 pm] Wormer -- in MacroTriggers I have a struct-like variables type for CUWP slots, that variable you put into the action parameter[2018-7-23. : 7:57 pm] Wormer -- it's OK, since based on my experience CUWP slots doesn't change very often and usually don't need "replication" support -- can always add them manually[2018-7-23. : 7:52 pm] jjf28 -- in text trigs I just take the CUWP number, I don't support adding the CUWP entries via text[2018-7-23. : 7:46 pm] Wormer -- in SCMD I'm generating a separate text file that is copied in the separate window, in triggers I put CUWP#[2018-7-23. : 7:42 pm] Wormer -- I'm trying to cook up a new version of MacroTriggers looking for a way to input raw triggers code into a map without the need to write an scm format functionality on my own[2018-7-23. : 7:33 pm] jjf28 -- I should note that these custom conditions/actions are purposed for experimenting/EUD hacks/modding, if there's any vanilla functionality that SC supports for a condition/action that you find we should add it as optional parameters for that condition/action[2018-7-23. : 7:28 pm] Wormer -- okay, false alarm! I picked up a BroodDat.mpq instead of BrooDat.mpq -- now all good many thanks! :-)[2018-7-23. : 7:26 pm] jjf28 -- WormerWormer shouted: "it won't display the fields" -- will it look like Always() ? it'll just look like this https://puu.sh/B1OIm/869964ef17.png[2018-7-23. : 7:26 pm] Wormer -- lemme try a fresh run, I failed to pick up the right file for StarDat.mpq first time LoL[2018-7-23. : 7:25 pm] jjf28 -- I'm in no position to debug that right now; try dragging a map onto Chkdraft - alternative way of opening [2018-7-23. : 7:23 pm] jjf28 -- WormerWormer shouted: *when WormerWormer shouted: it crashes why I try to hit "open" ^_^ neat I don't see that, you're on win10?[2018-7-23. : 7:23 pm] jjf28 -- but it won't like corrupt the save or view or anything, you just won't have the ability to change things like you can in the text editor[2018-7-23. : 7:22 pm] jjf28 -- WormerWormer shouted: that's not a problem since I'm not looking for a regular trigger editor, but what will happen if I make some invalid action/contidion that way? how trigger editor will handle it? if it's the condition/action number of a regular condition/action it'll just display the fields as if it were a regular condition/action, if it's not the number of a regular condition/action it won't display the fields |
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