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[2019-1-29. : 1:43 pm]  jjf28 -- CorboCorbo shouted: the old fashioned way https://youtu.be/SFkdcQgNJHo[2019-1-29. : 1:41 pm] Nekron -- things like making AI use custom units and new abilities with correct targeting are actually really easy tho so[2019-1-29. : 1:41 pm]  Corbo -- NekronNekron shouted: Corbo if you need AI help im down to do it for some basic stuff or even write simple blizzard-like scripts, but nothing since most free time i have is spent on writing scripts for UEDAIP anyway Oh, so you're not a "professional"?[2019-1-29. : 1:40 pm] Nekron -- CorboCorbo shouted: Nekron not really lmao, i might have to , though, otherwise it will be a very boring campaign with an unplayable AI if you need AI help im down to do it for some basic stuff or even write simple blizzard-like scripts, but nothing since most free time i have is spent on writing scripts for UEDAIP anyway[2019-1-29. : 1:39 pm] Corbo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Nekron that actually has merit not it doesnt modding sucks[2019-1-29. : 1:39 pm] NudeRaider -- NekronNekron shouted: NudeRaider im mad because it doesnt mean anything that many mods that have the problems described, many maps are also incredibly shitty and lazy and unfun, it doesnt mean that maps cant be fun as a medium that actually has merit[2019-1-29. : 1:39 pm] Corbo -- NekronNekron shouted: did you toy around with any new commands for melee AI in it or not yet? not really lmao, i might have to , though, otherwise it will be a very boring campaign with an unplayable AI[2019-1-29. : 1:38 pm] jjf28 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Moose not sure about the others, but I'm certainly not fighting. Believe it or not, but there also friendly exchanges of opinion   [2019-1-29. : 1:38 pm] Nekron -- well that would be true back in the day, but now I would argue there are overall more people who first see something interesting on discord/forums and then go play it, than there are people who sit idly waiting for hosted maps[2019-1-29. : 1:36 pm] Nekron -- did you toy around with any new commands for melee AI in it or not yet?[2019-1-29. : 1:36 pm] NudeRaider -- publicity is not a desireable trait, it's a means to an end. If it's multiplayer and you want to play it with others, others need to know about it. And that metric is by default much much worse than for maps because players can't passively sit on bnet and "find" it. they have to actively seek it. And that's only a fraction of the player base.[2019-1-29. : 1:36 pm] Nekron -- also i fully intend to finish the entire thing before finally killing myself after spending too much time in the shoutbox[2019-1-29. : 1:36 pm] Corbo -- NR is right, he's only played one single mod but that's all the evidence we need to establish the fact that mods overall suck as an unfinished product[2019-1-29. : 1:35 pm] Nekron -- episode VI of UEDAIP is self-contained and completed, go play it and please remember to use code NEKRON in my sponsored vaping outlet[2019-1-29. : 1:34 pm] Corbo -- NekronNekron shouted: NudeRaider im mad because it doesnt mean anything that many mods that have the problems described, many maps are also incredibly shitty and lazy and unfun, it doesnt mean that maps cant be fun as a medium You're mad because you're being told the truth that mapping is superior to modding because of all of the completed maps we actually have, where as modding you have nothing ever completed! mapping with euds is far superior than modding will ever be with their shitty tools to change everything[2019-1-29. : 1:33 pm] Nekron -- and the argument you bring up for publicity doesnt seem very genuine when many of the things SC1 is remembered for in the west are more or less accessible mods like Antioch Chronicles or Flame Knives[2019-1-29. : 1:32 pm] Nekron -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Nekron not sure why you are so mad. I'm reporting from experience playing mods. Not my fault many mods have the problems described. I also mentioned that mods do have potential to be great, if done right. Seriously, what exactly are you mad at? O.o im mad because it doesnt mean anything that many mods that have the problems described, many maps are also incredibly shitty and lazy and unfun, it doesnt mean that maps cant be fun as a medium[2019-1-29. : 1:31 pm] NudeRaider -- NekronNekron shouted: like why the fuck even argue if not only you cant be bothered to check the name of a campaign you wanted to bring up, but you also basically say "well this happened to me 3 times so it's an undeniable fact that it's a general trend" I'd estimate that it happened 27 times out of 30[2019-1-29. : 1:30 pm] NudeRaider -- MooseMoose shouted: Nude probs ain't even opened SC in a year to be honest besides not being true, what would change that?[2019-1-29. : 1:29 pm] NudeRaider -- MooseMoose shouted: People really still fiting about mapping vs modding in 2019 in this tiny community for a dead ass game LMAO not sure about the others, but I'm certainly not fighting. Believe it or not, but there also friendly exchanges of opinion [2019-1-29. : 1:27 pm] NudeRaider -- thinking about it I could imagine modding helping in the horror genre.[2019-1-29. : 1:26 pm] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider You'd lose that bet Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider Ad Astras, Temptation, Battlefield Tarsonis, Lunacy Unbound, HunterCraft, Armageddon Onslaught haven't played any of them besides AO. Might give them a try, just to see how modding can create gameplay mechanics. Outside of ai I can't think of much. Any pointers what to look for?[2019-1-29. : 1:22 pm] NudeRaider -- NekronNekron shouted: im not really fighting im just angery because nuderaiders colour claims are retarded and could be applied for everything in the way he did it also sorry if it was poorly fleshed out, I was on short time. Had to go to work. But at the same time you complain about the "wall of text". I really don't get you  [2019-1-29. : 1:21 pm] NudeRaider -- NekronNekron shouted: im not really fighting im just angery because nuderaiders colour claims are retarded and could be applied for everything in the way he did it not sure why you are so mad. I'm reporting from experience playing mods. Not my fault many mods have the problems described. I also mentioned that mods do have potential to be great, if done right. Seriously, what exactly are you mad at? O.o[2019-1-29. : 1:19 pm] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: The SC engine is great to mod with, what it's terrible at is implementing platformers, RPGs and all the other nonsense people keep trying to do ao was still a rts. I've played great RPG maps. NekronNekron shouted: NudeRaider idk plenty of people played Inconsummate and Hydra all over TL and bnet forums, which were fucking mods LMAO, just because you're a mongo that doesn't actually like Starcraft the game and wants to play baby's first tower defense it doesn't mean everyone's like you Yeah I think inconsummate was the mod I was referring to which was an exception to the rule that mods tend to forego gameplay to impress. it did both.[2019-1-29. : 1:05 pm] Black_Overseer -- We all know sc 1 is still famous in Korea. https://youtu.be/NxgGsSnOyy4[2019-1-29. : 11:27 am] Nekron -- then you can die of cancer not only because youre playing something shitty but also because of the toxic vapours[2019-1-29. : 11:26 am] Nekron -- the best way to actually get popularity is to get a vape shop to sponsor your mod i heard[2019-1-29. : 11:25 am]  Moose -- Mpas more popular like the 11 people left on this game played it instead of the 10 that played your mod xd[2019-1-29. : 11:23 am] Nekron -- also how the fuck is anyone still using "maps more popular" meme when you're more likely to attract some 10 random people from TL to play your mod than have enough luck to met people that are online on BNet[2019-1-29. : 11:22 am] Nekron -- like why the fuck even argue if not only you cant be bothered to check the name of a campaign you wanted to bring up, but you also basically say "well this happened to me 3 times so it's an undeniable fact that it's a general trend"[2019-1-29. : 11:21 am] Nekron -- im not really fighting im just angery because nuderaiders colour claims are retarded and could be applied for everything in the way he did it[2019-1-29. : 11:19 am] Moose -- People really still fiting about mapping vs modding in 2019 in this tiny community for a dead ass game LMAO[2019-1-29. : 11:13 am] Nekron -- but that doesn't mean that while making a modded campaign or project you will magically be drawn towards shitting out more fancy dragoon frames instead of working on whichever aspect of the campaign you'd care about if you weren't allowed to mod and were forced to create it with SCMD or even X-tra edit alone[2019-1-29. : 11:11 am] Nekron -- all mod campaigns I can possibly think of are bad just because their creators either dont really give a shit about making good campaigns (huncraft lmao) or had no tools to make them (antioch)[2019-1-29. : 11:09 am] Nekron -- oh LMAO in that wall of text you actually mention playing inc, but also make an amazing unsubstantiated colour claim about how modding are easier to screw up because... you have more possibilities i guess?[2019-1-29. : 10:58 am] Nekron -- but well, I understand how mods can be scary when all you can do is trigger a mobile game in a 21 year old engine, though to be honest you might do bettter if instead of doing it in SC you'd do your passion Bing Bong Defense 2D project in Java for appstore[2019-1-29. : 10:53 am] Nekron -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: NudeRaider Or more seriously put: You make a mod, what do you think how many people outside of SEN are gonna play it? How many on SEN? Then compare to sunked D, Desert Strike and whatever's currently the latest trend? idk plenty of people played Inconsummate and Hydra all over TL and bnet forums, which were fucking mods LMAO, just because you're a mongo that doesn't actually like Starcraft the game and wants to play baby's first tower defense it doesn't mean everyone's like you[2019-1-29. : 10:51 am] Nekron -- and honestly if at this point you think the SC engine is shitty to mod then you should just get the rope, it has lots of weird hardcodes and interactions but it's infinitely easier to mod than CnC games or any galaxy shit[2019-1-29. : 10:50 am] UEDCommander -- Last time i checked race for popularity took lard to creating mobile games and announcing them as major events[2019-1-29. : 10:49 am] Nekron -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: wasn't AO the project that never got finished and made the maker rq because the sc engine is too shitty to mod with? No working limit extenders existed while AO was being developed and the creator (Mesk) had no fucking idea how SC AI works since nobody bothered actually researching it before 2017[2019-1-29. : 10:48 am] Nekron -- lmao he right tho SC is not and never will be a good base for platformers and RPGs[2019-1-29. : 8:17 am] Voyager7456 -- You can do it, it doesn't make it a good idea though. It's literally the definition of a gimmick - not a platformer that stands on its own but a novelty only interesting because you squeezed the square peg of SC's engine through a round hole.[2019-1-29. : 8:03 am] Voyager7456 -- The SC engine is great to mod with, what it's terrible at is implementing platformers, RPGs and all the other nonsense people keep trying to do[2019-1-29. : 8:00 am] NudeRaider -- wasn't AO the project that never got finished and made the maker rq because the sc engine is too shitty to mod with? |