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[2019-1-29. : 10:22 pm]  Voyager7456 -- MooseMoose shouted: Voyager7456 Voyager7456 I think a lot of it was us messaging outside SEN, but I think he posted a rage thread ... that might be gone by now tho idk I definitely remember a big wall of text[2019-1-29. : 10:21 pm]  Moose -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Moose lmaoooo no I vaguely rmeember this Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: did it get archived? someone find it O_O I think a lot of it was us messaging outside SEN, but I think he posted a rage thread ... that might be gone by now tho idk[2019-1-29. : 10:18 pm] Moose -- You could argue by Nude's definition that Mega Man 2 on the NES is an RPG, but most people who have played it would tell you it's an action platformer[2019-1-29. : 10:18 pm] Voyager7456 -- MooseMoose shouted: But the RPG map debate does bacc to the vintage meme of chuiu and the "Hero Action Map" that y'all not old enough to remember lmao lmaoooo no I vaguely rmeember this[2019-1-29. : 10:17 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Voyager7456 the thing is, you're not the world. What works for you doesn't necessarily work well for everyone. It may not work for you but it's not some absurd impossibility either. Certainly does not justify saying mods should only be designed for one or two people.[2019-1-29. : 10:16 pm] Moose -- But the RPG map debate does bacc to the vintage meme of chuiu and the "Hero Action Map" that y'all not old enough to remember lmao[2019-1-29. : 10:15 pm]  Dem0n -- There's actually a Diablo rpg map that's pretty well done, tho it does get tedious[2019-1-29. : 10:14 pm] Moose -- Most of them are just walk around, kill a bunch of shit, use spells and level up and/or buy upgrades. Like, you can call it an RPG but I would say someone gonna like it because they liked Final Fantasy or Zelda LMAO[2019-1-29. : 10:14 pm] Voyager7456 -- An action-RPG (like a Diablo sort of thing?) is probably more easily done, but I haven't seen any good implementations of that either.[2019-1-29. : 10:13 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Voyager7456 I feel like RPGs are already close enought to RTS that you don't need much to create fun and engaging gameplay. A leveling system, a quest system, interesting heroes, story and dialog -- all of which can be easily achieved with mapping tools. I think even the best SC RPGs fall flat in those aspects. I don't think an RTS is close to an RPG at all[2019-1-29. : 10:12 pm] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: you have demonstrated you have no idea what mods are capable of and haven't played enough mods to actually be taken seriously on the subject, yet you inserted yourself into the conversation with your usual aura of being on a higher horse than everyone who thinks differently you were the one that was out of the line. I criticized that sharply and went on with factual discussion, which luckily some (nto all) joined without feeling the need to resort to insults. Really who are you to talk about people high horsing with your kind of conduct...[2019-1-29. : 10:12 pm] jjf28 -- MooseMoose shouted: What even is an RPG anyway X^D DnD on the video ray tubes[2019-1-29. : 10:11 pm] Vrael -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: NudeRaider i would concede this point if people on the other "side" of the conversation didn't show a blatant disregard for the actual facts and speak as if they are informed dont lie no u wouldnt[2019-1-29. : 10:10 pm] Vrael -- MooseMoose shouted: What even is an RPG anyway X^D its short for "Rocket Propelled Grenade" and its used by the islamic freedom fighters as they try to destroy the evil overlord state United States of America[2019-1-29. : 10:04 pm] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: People always talmbout how the benefit is you can distribute easily to random people but then just play with the same dozen people from SEN anyway i've pretty much stopped playing regularly when this became the only option  [2019-1-29. : 10:03 pm] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider I don't think "a group of people fire up a mod" is a corner case, I do it pretty frequently. I think the corner case is "I want to play with B.net pubbies" lmao the thing is, you're not the world. What works for you doesn't necessarily work well for everyone.[2019-1-29. : 10:03 pm] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider I've never played an RPG map that actually implemented new gameplay that didn't feel like a gimmick. I doubt I ever will, because you're fighting an uphill battle trying to make SC into something you're not I feel like RPGs are already close enought to RTS that you don't need much to create fun and engaging gameplay. A leveling system, a quest system, interesting heroes, story and dialog -- all of which can be easily achieved with mapping tools.[2019-1-29. : 9:58 pm] Corbo -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: you have demonstrated you have no idea what mods are capable of and haven't played enough mods to actually be taken seriously on the subject, yet you inserted yourself into the conversation with your usual aura of being on a higher horse than everyone who thinks differently HE GERMAN THO[2019-1-29. : 9:56 pm] Pr0nogo -- or anyone who speaks like this LMAO MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: I'll settle this once and for all - I continue to map to this day not for popularity. Its a hobby, and my method for paying tribute to my favorite nostalgic game. If I'm remembered as "one of the great mappers", then that's a bonus. Regardless, maps are multiplayer, mods are not... BOOM get rekt modders! [2019-1-29. : 9:55 pm] Pr0nogo -- so really the question is why does anyone even bother to try to educate you?[2019-1-29. : 9:54 pm] Pr0nogo -- you have demonstrated you have no idea what mods are capable of and haven't played enough mods to actually be taken seriously on the subject, yet you inserted yourself into the conversation with your usual aura of being on a higher horse than everyone who thinks differently[2019-1-29. : 9:54 pm] Pr0nogo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Pr0nogo I still insist on friendly exchange of opinion i would concede this point if people on the other "side" of the conversation didn't show a blatant disregard for the actual facts and speak as if they are informed [2019-1-29. : 9:51 pm] Pr0nogo -- meanwhile blizzard is unlikely to do anything other than whitelist a few more EUDs or w/e on an inferior platform for content (SCR) which don't come close to the customization allowed for 1161 mods[2019-1-29. : 9:51 pm] Pr0nogo -- once we get the player limit raised on 1.16.1 it'll be even less excusable to not do this, so it's only going to get better for mods, not worse[2019-1-29. : 9:50 pm] Pr0nogo -- melee mods can easily support singleplayer or less-than-full-house play by having melee AI utilize the new features of the mod[2019-1-29. : 9:50 pm] Pr0nogo -- e.g. my 3vAI version of omega will have AI allies fill in for whoever is missing from the lobby, be it one, two, or all three players not being there (in the event that people want to watch the AI play with themselves for whatever reason)[2019-1-29. : 9:49 pm] Pr0nogo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: *play it, they can. the solution to this is to offer singleplayer or less-than-full-lobby support which is incredibly trivial at this stage in sc's development[2019-1-29. : 9:47 pm] Voyager7456 -- People always talmbout how the benefit is you can distribute easily to random people but then just play with the same dozen people from SEN anyway[2019-1-29. : 9:47 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: MTiger156 oh, seems someone agrees with my point of view. I don't think "a group of people fire up a mod" is a corner case, I do it pretty frequently. I think the corner case is "I want to play with B.net pubbies" lmao [2019-1-29. : 9:45 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: jjf28 personally I hope to have missed some mods worth playing. And tbh i'm a little intimidated by the high number of names voy quoted. Currently I suspect modding might have evolved more than I expected since I had my "I'll try any mod that seems good" phase I've got way more names [2019-1-29. : 9:44 pm] NudeRaider -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: I'll settle this once and for all - I continue to map to this day not for popularity. Its a hobby, and my method for paying tribute to my favorite nostalgic game. If I'm remembered as "one of the great mappers", then that's a bonus. Regardless, maps are multiplayer, mods are not... BOOM get rekt modders! oh, seems someone agrees with my point of view. [2019-1-29. : 9:40 pm] NudeRaider -- So for me, the decision (if I were equally capable of doing both) whether I want to realize a project with mapping or modding is decided by how many players my concept needs. Or you could also say, I will restrict the scope of my project to 1-2 players, so it can not only get enjoyed on paper, or in corner cases where a small group decides all to fire up that mod, but to be successful and/or popular "in the wild".[2019-1-29. : 9:34 pm] NudeRaider -- I feel like we need to differentiate when we talk mods vs maps. I don't think, for single player and to an extend 2player coop there's not much argument against modding, because who cares if the average bnetter doesn't get to play your work. What matters is if someone wants to play it can. And for single player mods there's no restriction. Whereas multiplayer maps rely on popularity to get the amount of players needed to have a good game.[2019-1-29. : 9:28 pm] NudeRaider -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Suicidal Insanity naw just directionless argument personally I hope to have missed some mods worth playing. And tbh i'm a little intimidated by the high number of names voy quoted. Currently I suspect modding might have evolved more than I expected since I had my "I'll try any mod that seems good" phase[2019-1-29. : 9:25 pm] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Suicidal Insanity not really, just pissing on people I still insist on friendly exchange of opinion [2019-1-29. : 9:22 pm] NudeRaider -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: You're dumb if you think a high download count equals quality this. Almost had had me scared demon is becoming wise. But then... Dem0nDem0n shouted: You're dumb if you think a high download count equals quality relief[2019-1-29. : 9:21 pm] Vrael -- wait guys what about Te- oh Dem0nDem0n shouted: Oh_Man show me the download statistics for a map that wasn't hyped up for 10 years [2019-1-29. : 6:36 pm] Nekron -- huh i ctrl+f'd for "1100 dls" but surprisingly there's still less than 500 hits[2019-1-29. : 6:29 pm] Voyager7456 -- BrusilovBrusilov shouted: So who do I talk to to get a name-change? Moose, maybe[2019-1-29. : 6:27 pm] Voyager7456 -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: I'll settle this once and for all - I continue to map to this day not for popularity. Its a hobby, and my method for paying tribute to my favorite nostalgic game. If I'm remembered as "one of the great mappers", then that's a bonus. Regardless, maps are multiplayer, mods are not... BOOM get rekt modders! You were doing well until you got to the last sentence[2019-1-29. : 6:19 pm] MTiger156 -- I'll settle this once and for all - I continue to map to this day not for popularity. Its a hobby, and my method for paying tribute to my favorite nostalgic game. If I'm remembered as "one of the great mappers", then that's a bonus. Regardless, maps are multiplayer, mods are not... BOOM get rekt modders![2019-1-29. : 6:00 pm] jjf28 -- VraelVrael shouted: WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na[2019-1-29. : 5:56 pm] UEDCommander -- What are people who want popularity still doing in game such as BW anyway |
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