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[2019-9-09. : 11:38 pm] zsnakezz -- people genuinely want to use the map maker as an art form to learn new things, please stop making them feel worse for actually being interested[2019-9-09. : 11:37 pm] zsnakezz -- i know depression and autism is a disease that runs rabid in this crew but don't add to it[2019-9-09. : 11:36 pm] zsnakezz -- dude just give your role to somebody else if your going to be a self defeating piece of shuit[2019-9-09. : 8:47 pm] MTiger156 -- ... Just as we were talking about mapping's legacy, a Temple Siege remaster drops into SEN. Though I'm not a big MOBA fan, I praise this accomplishment. We mappers ought to push & motivate each other, then we might truly reach this "Silver Age" that Voyager imagines.[2019-9-09. : 7:22 pm] MTiger156 -- Here, they be playing some card game with memes. https://youtu.be/4Rkw0LZicI0?t=85[2019-9-09. : 7:02 pm] MTiger156 -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: NudeRaider Silver at best - the new possibilities in SCR are nothing compared to some of the wild shit people were doing with completely unrestricted EUDs oh ya... I remember some hilarious Korean EUD maps. I will try to find video links cuz they are very worth watching / laughing at.[2019-9-09. : 5:57 pm]  Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: MTiger156 if anything it's the golden age of mapping considering all the new possibilities with EUDs, and the official support and numerous tools for it, while modding has taken a blow in scr. Silver at best - the new possibilities in SCR are nothing compared to some of the wild shit people were doing with completely unrestricted EUDs[2019-9-09. : 5:53 pm]  Pr0nogo -- not too many people are simultaneously active in the scene and known for holding mapping in contempt[2019-9-09. : 5:52 pm] Pr0nogo -- i think most people have fond memories of the ums playerbase back in the mid 2000s, and have just moved on[2019-9-09. : 5:30 pm] MTiger156 -- Alright alright, I was a little too brash with that. I shall rephrase - I blame/despise **bad mappers** for the downfall of its reputation. Since this has been a long-time favorite hobby of mine, I'd like to continue doing it (although with less frequency) in hope of amending its broken reputation, if even just a little bit.[2019-9-09. : 5:21 pm] NudeRaider -- although I don't think mapping is dead. It's just not happening on SEN anymore for the aforementioned reasons.[2019-9-09. : 5:14 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: MTiger156 mapping didn't die because of people talking shit, it died because people grew up and no longer had the time or passion for it lmao this btw[2019-9-09. : 5:12 pm] Pr0nogo -- i guess tooldevs like neiv spent some time developing features for scr that already existed in 1161, but most of the new features are cross compatible so it's still been a net gain for modding[2019-9-09. : 5:08 pm] Pr0nogo -- people who modded on 1161 never did it for accessibility anyway, so the potential decrease in audience because of people moving to scr and uninstalling 1161 isn't a concern for developers[2019-9-09. : 5:07 pm] Pr0nogo -- modding on 1161 didn't change at all though, we have more assets and plugins than ever so it's definitely the opposite of taking a blow[2019-9-09. : 4:39 pm] NudeRaider -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: I'm too die-hard to be defeated by these statements. However, I will accept that mapping's Golden Age has passed. I despise those who gave mapping a bad reputation and nearly killed it as a whole. It doesn't deserve to die yet. If I end up being the last dedicated mapper, then I will have served my purpose. if anything it's the golden age of mapping considering all the new possibilities with EUDs, and the official support and numerous tools for it, while modding has taken a blow in scr.[2019-9-09. : 2:52 pm] lil-Inferno -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: I'm too die-hard to be defeated by these statements. However, I will accept that mapping's Golden Age has passed. I despise those who gave mapping a bad reputation and nearly killed it as a whole. It doesn't deserve to die yet. If I end up being the last dedicated mapper, then I will have served my purpose. mapping didn't die because of people talking shit, it died because people grew up and no longer had the time or passion for it lmao[2019-9-09. : 8:44 am] UEDCommander -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: i don't even know what that means it means that MTiger's dedication to mapping is quite literally zealous[2019-9-09. : 5:23 am] jjf28 -- mapping, modding, we need to set it aside and focus on rooting out the kiwis[2019-9-09. : 5:10 am] jjf28 -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: i don't even know what that means it means fuck you it's map night[2019-9-09. : 2:16 am] MTiger156 -- I'm too die-hard to be defeated by these statements. However, I will accept that mapping's Golden Age has passed. I despise those who gave mapping a bad reputation and nearly killed it as a whole. It doesn't deserve to die yet. If I end up being the last dedicated mapper, then I will have served my purpose.[2019-9-09. : 1:14 am] Pr0nogo -- mostly just because it's intellectually dishonest but also because i want more good stuff to play and there's practically nothing in the scene[2019-9-09. : 1:13 am] Pr0nogo -- in all honesty i don't care if a dev decides against modding, it's when they simultaneously try to pretend that they're making their project the best it can be[2019-9-08. : 11:44 pm] Pr0nogo -- and i think it's appropriate to label a sad excuse as such if i believe it to be the case, i don't see how that can be construed as belittling, it's me saying that it doesn't convince me as an argument[2019-9-08. : 11:42 pm] Pr0nogo -- destroying oh_man has nothing to do with my argument though, i just don't talk with people who use ad hominem attacks as a consistent rebuttal to my arguments[2019-9-08. : 12:08 pm]  Moose -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: MTiger156 i think replayability is overrated generally, if only because most maps aren't worth playing the first time through LMFAO[2019-9-08. : 8:59 am] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: NudeRaider ladies first mate Oh I respect your opinions. But I will call you out when you belittle people disagreeing with you Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: accessibility in such a niche environment is a real sad excuse Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: try to get some more iq before you respond to anything i say again [2019-9-08. : 3:08 am] Pr0nogo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: show some respect regardless. that's basic human courtesy. ladies first mate[2019-9-08. : 3:08 am] Pr0nogo -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: Ya, the average mapper is way to impatient to put real quality into their work. Another big thing they miss is "replayability". Its gotta be worth playing over-n-over again to gather a consistent player-base. i think replayability is overrated generally, if only because most maps aren't worth playing the first time through[2019-9-08. : 1:27 am] Corbo -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: purist = using SC without requiring a third party exe, duh, not w/e you're saying Yeah, IJ am also assuming you guys map with staredit.exe, right? punny "purist"[2019-9-08. : 12:29 am] MTiger156 -- For PVP, that's fairly easy. Its much tougher on PVE, but I have certain tricks that do the job very well...[2019-9-08. : 12:27 am] MTiger156 -- Ya, the average mapper is way to impatient to put real quality into their work. Another big thing they miss is "replayability". Its gotta be worth playing over-n-over again to gather a consistent player-base.[2019-9-08. : 12:19 am] Pr0nogo -- UEDCommanderUEDCommander shouted: Buy some more IQ from blizzard store to continue! and mycrowtrannies[2019-9-08. : 12:19 am] Pr0nogo -- if more people showed respect to their own work, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now[2019-9-08. : 12:18 am] Pr0nogo -- starcraft custom content is home to hands down some of the worst productions I've ever played[2019-9-07. : 11:47 pm] NudeRaider -- idk why y'all so determined to fight over this. Show some respect even if you don't agree[2019-9-07. : 11:32 pm] MTiger156 -- As one of the last non-mod mappers in existence, I can sort of understand Zoan's point of view. I see great value in maps that can be played on live SCR servers because they will receive exposure to the full SC audience. That is a HUGE factor for building popularity. |
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