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[2019-9-11. : 12:36 am]  Oh_Man -- ZoanZoan shouted: I'm not taking any classes this semester, just supposed to be doing research 24/7, so my schedule is totally open lolol check this map: http://www.mediafire.com/file/52kcgdvx0xplyhc/Fate_and_Destiny_2.1_Music.scx/file[2019-9-10. : 10:59 pm] razorback9423 -- Okay it's official because Pr0nogo cannot host and stream modnight since February 2019 Corbo can do it instead because Pr0nogo is busy working on Hydra[2019-9-10. : 10:22 pm]  Voyager7456 -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Pr0nogo I’d argue it’s perfect and any gameplay changes would be too disruptive tbh have dynamite explode by a button press instead of having to place spider mines imo[2019-9-10. : 10:05 pm] lil-Inferno -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: never played cave wars, but i can allege without any prior experience that modding would allow moose to make it better than it already is I’d argue it’s perfect and any gameplay changes would be too disruptive tbh[2019-9-10. : 10:04 pm]  Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno you are not allowed to call your map high quality. It's not modding. Can I say you're high quality since you're a mod?  [2019-9-10. : 8:35 pm] Pr0nogo -- and yes, generally rts maps made in an rts engine are going to be better than non-rts maps made in an rts engine[2019-9-10. : 8:34 pm] Pr0nogo -- never played cave wars, but i can allege without any prior experience that modding would allow moose to make it better than it already is[2019-9-10. : 8:26 pm] MTiger156 -- You saying RTS maps > Arcade maps? You wanna start another wart, boi?[2019-9-10. : 8:24 pm] MTiger156 -- That can't be correct, cuz that would mean all my maps are RTS style, yet they are not.[2019-9-10. : 7:56 pm] lil-Inferno -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: imagine saying all maps are low quality when Cave Wars exists this handy chart proves it https://i.imgur.com/DcmvbyT.png[2019-9-10. : 5:40 pm] Oh_Man -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: so maps that intend to be RPGs but have no modding will tend to be less efficient than a modded map that intends to be an RPG, because you can implement more RPG mechanics with less drawbacks DK, why u gotta say so much dumb shit  [2019-9-10. : 5:28 pm] Pr0nogo -- so maps that intend to be RPGs but have no modding will tend to be less efficient than a modded map that intends to be an RPG, because you can implement more RPG mechanics with less drawbacks[2019-9-10. : 5:27 pm] Pr0nogo -- objective quality generally is about efficiency, a story that's confusing when it intends to be straightforward is inefficient and therefore objectively lacking[2019-9-10. : 5:26 pm] Pr0nogo -- but it does hint at the whole point of modding in the first place: efficiency[2019-9-10. : 5:26 pm] Pr0nogo -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Pr0nogo imagine saying your map is high quality when you aren't using mods, imagine saying your mod is high quality when you could've been hired by Blizzard to change SC directly smh obviously being hired by blizzard is out of our reach as developers, this strawman doesn't really hold up in that sense[2019-9-10. : 4:05 pm] NudeRaider -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Vrael gets me Vrael is Batman. He gets everyone[2019-9-10. : 3:56 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Pr0nogo imagine saying your map is high quality when you aren't using mods, imagine saying your mod is high quality when you could've been hired by Blizzard to change SC directly smh you are not allowed to call your map high quality. It's not modding.[2019-9-10. : 3:55 pm] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: only rarely do you get the lunatics that claim they're making something of objective quality or merit, without having made anything of the sort how do you define 'of quality or merit'? Which are properties, if sufficiently good, are suited to classify a map as such? Which are mandatory? Anything that would not matter at all?[2019-9-10. : 3:20 pm] Vrael -- imagine inventing something as complex and world shattering as a reality warping machine when you could've just said 'naaaa lmao'[2019-9-10. : 2:15 pm] Vrael -- imagine saying you were hired by Blizzard to change SC directly when you could've invented a reality-warping machine to actually create the SC universe[2019-9-10. : 2:09 pm] lil-Inferno -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Zoan all that is more about the mapper's enjoyment than creating a high quality project, and that's fine, as i stated before the issue comes when people claim that their maps are high quality when they are explicitly (and often self-admittedly) restricting their project imagine saying your map is high quality when you aren't using mods, imagine saying your mod is high quality when you could've been hired by Blizzard to change SC directly smh[2019-9-10. : 8:03 am] Pr0nogo -- only rarely do you get the lunatics that claim they're making something of objective quality or merit, without having made anything of the sort[2019-9-10. : 8:03 am] Pr0nogo -- a surprisingly small number of people are responsible for that kind of behavior, most people just treat it as a hobby[2019-9-10. : 8:02 am] Pr0nogo -- ZoanZoan shouted: @Pr0nogo Naw, modding is cool, I see how it could be fun to do. I just feel like one of the cool/fun aspects of mapping is all the restrictions you can overcome, it makes it feel satisfying. Plus wow-ing some stupid pubby who joins your map adds to that sense you created something cool, idk all that is more about the mapper's enjoyment than creating a high quality project, and that's fine, as i stated before the issue comes when people claim that their maps are high quality when they are explicitly (and often self-admittedly) restricting their project[2019-9-10. : 7:00 am] Voyager7456 -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Zoan don't bother explaining that shit to Mr Dunning-Kruger. He doesn't get it. People can understand your point and still disagree lmao[2019-9-10. : 6:15 am] NudeRaider -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: demon im saying this to you only then do us all a favor and use whispers...[2019-9-10. : 6:09 am] NudeRaider -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: Alright alright, I was a little too brash with that. I shall rephrase - I blame/despise **bad mappers** for the downfall of its reputation. Since this has been a long-time favorite hobby of mine, I'd like to continue doing it (although with less frequency) in hope of amending its broken reputation, if even just a little bit. I'd argue there's no "bad" mapper, as in detrimental to the scene. On the contrary. Sc has flourished because everyone had a chance to quickly realize their ideas and subject them to a large audience. It didn't have to be a polished map if the concept was solid. Upon positive feedback the mapper would have improved their map or someone more skilled would pick up the concept and make a more polished map. In short, diversity is never bad. It would only be bad if there were ONLY bad maps out there but that was never the case.[2019-9-10. : 5:06 am] Oh_Man -- ZoanZoan shouted: @Pr0nogo Naw, modding is cool, I see how it could be fun to do. I just feel like one of the cool/fun aspects of mapping is all the restrictions you can overcome, it makes it feel satisfying. Plus wow-ing some stupid pubby who joins your map adds to that sense you created something cool, idk don't bother explaining that shit to Mr Dunning-Kruger. He doesn't get it.[2019-9-10. : 4:43 am] Zoan -- @Pr0nogo Naw, modding is cool, I see how it could be fun to do. I just feel like one of the cool/fun aspects of mapping is all the restrictions you can overcome, it makes it feel satisfying. Plus wow-ing some stupid pubby who joins your map adds to that sense you created something cool, idk[2019-9-10. : 4:36 am] Zoan -- especially when zsnakezz just came outta nowhere cussing dem0n out lolol[2019-9-10. : 4:35 am] Zoan -- reading the posts of everybody in the shoutbox that came outta my dumb comment that I prefer mapping to modding is hilarious  [2019-9-10. : 4:28 am] lil-Inferno -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: lil-Inferno lil when did u get so #wise mah boi cuz I'm old AF now o_o[2019-9-10. : 4:07 am] Oh_Man -- As i said back in one of my paid contests mapping is in its twilight years. I meant that in terms of mappers but it's also due to players also. It's no doubt linked in some wqy. Mappers want a playerbase, perhaps. It's a nebulous concept though. How many players do you want for the map to be "worth" making? Im sure w.e answer given is arbitrary[2019-9-10. : 4:03 am] Oh_Man -- It's impossible to say how many of that number actually played the map too, the actual number of players is no doubt even less[2019-9-10. : 4:01 am] Oh_Man -- Moral of the story: if u are someone who thrives on feedback and lots of it sc mapping is the wrong place to be[2019-9-10. : 4:00 am] Oh_Man -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: someone who played like 10 times, understands the mechanics, and can put their experience into a paragraph format u can't expect the average gamer to give feedback. How many games do u leave steam reviews on? My map has 1.5k downloads, but only a handful of comments in the thread, though one guy gave me 80 bucks (legend) and 2 or 3 youtube lets plays[2019-9-10. : 3:56 am] Oh_Man -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: demon you are one passive aggressive vague mfker you're not wrong LOL demon u gotta give him that[2019-9-10. : 3:55 am] Oh_Man -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: you should only be making stuff for the love of the art, for the innate human desire to create things lil when did u get so #wise mah boi[2019-9-10. : 1:33 am] jjf28 -- MooseMoose shouted: but w/e, this a mess no worries, we'll move the mess to discord for a few hours[2019-9-10. : 12:43 am] Moose -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: Bro, just saying, we could all use a fresh dose of adderal and acid, maybe even mixed into one thing Maybe the rest of us, but I'm gonna say that you probably need fewer substances in your life lmao[2019-9-10. : 12:41 am] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: but he's Dem0n so you're gonna have a conniption no matter what he says lmao LMFAO |
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