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[2016-5-01. : 4:27 am]  Moose -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: It should be \n, because it's the most obvious and makes sense, but Linux/OS X have yet to catch on. Linux does use /n[2016-5-01. : 4:20 am] Moose -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: I use a proprietary in-browser text editor for school that formats tabs really weird, but whitespace is the one thing it can get right. Whitespace includes tabs, though. So if it formats tabs really weird, it doesn't get whitespace right.[2016-5-01. : 4:10 am]  Sacrieur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy if there's actual upsides, like the mentioned mobile support, sure. Mobile devices can do spaces too. Cool![2016-5-01. : 4:09 am] Sacrieur -- And even then I'd probably write my own grid class for writing things into the console formatted in a grid.[2016-5-01. : 4:06 am] Sacrieur -- RoyRoy shouted: I already described the ideal solution a long time ago: no whitespace. If formatting customization is the responsibility of the IDE, it should do all of it, not a half-assed job with tabs that doesn't even work in all cases so you make up bizarre rules about when to use a combination of tabs and spaces to line things up. Right? Can you imagine working on a project and whenever they merge a branch there's \t characters everywhere?[2016-5-01. : 4:03 am] Sacrieur -- It converts the \n\n into its own proprietary stuff when you copypasta into it.[2016-5-01. : 4:02 am] jjf28 -- they can all be converted from their crappy format to a single, consistent format; whereas \n\n cannot be differentiated from two new lines[2016-5-01. : 4:02 am] Sacrieur -- There's no reason why there should be three different ways to write newline.[2016-5-01. : 4:01 am] jjf28 -- mm, but the main formats (\r\n, \n, \r) are all easily convertible, \n\n just sucks nuggets  [2016-5-01. : 4:00 am] Sacrieur -- It should be \n, because it's the most obvious and makes sense, but Linux/OS X have yet to catch on.[2016-5-01. : 4:00 am] Sacrieur -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Sacrieur ok, who do I kill It's not the only thing weird about newlines. I mean there's no real unifying standard.[2016-5-01. : 3:59 am] Sacrieur -- Well, since all my code uses spaces, I've never had a problem with it.[2016-5-01. : 3:58 am] jjf28 -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: It also requires \n\n for a single newline, so that's weird. ok, who do I kill[2016-5-01. : 3:58 am] Sacrieur -- They should really just ditch their weird proprietary pseudo-HTML formatting and just act like a real textbox.[2016-5-01. : 3:57 am] Sacrieur -- I use a proprietary in-browser text editor for school that formats tabs really weird, but whitespace is the one thing it can get right.[2016-5-01. : 1:47 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- and as I'm adding stuff it's getting more consistent so I can get lazier[2016-5-01. : 1:47 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: A single zero terminated list is ok, lots of them each with its own syntaxis looks messy there's like 2[2016-5-01. : 1:44 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I think the correct choice is the one opposite of the one you believe. It just makes so much sense, why can't you just see it?![2016-5-01. : 1:42 am] Moose -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: are people still talking about spaces? Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Dem0n Yeah, but it's funny to see how riled up we can get people and how long we can drag it on. [2016-5-01. : 1:15 am] Moose -- I meant to quote jjf, but Dem0n shouted at the right moment to steal it[2016-5-01. : 1:15 am] NudeRaider -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: really the pragmatic arguments in this war only go so far, eventually it's just pro-cons and opinions yup[2016-5-01. : 1:15 am] Moose -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: Have you ever copied code from your IDE and pasted it into any program that doesn't have auto-formatting features? Yeah, but it's funny to see how riled up we can get people and how long we can drag it on. [2016-5-01. : 1:14 am]  Dem0n -- Have you ever copied code from your IDE and pasted it into any program that doesn't have auto-formatting features?[2016-5-01. : 1:14 am] jjf28 -- really the pragmatic arguments in this war only go so far, eventually it's just pro-cons and opinions[2016-5-01. : 1:14 am] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: I used to believe tabs were the way to go, but that's when I was starting out. If you're new to the field, you'll hopefully become enlightened someday as well. if there's actual upsides, like the mentioned mobile support, sure.[2016-5-01. : 1:13 am] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: On the other hand, spaces always work, always produce the same result, don't get warped between applications, and don't cause any formatting problems. If it supports tabs, it supports spaces just as well or better. tabs always work, always produce the result you want, get customized between applications and don't cause formatting problems.[2016-5-01. : 1:12 am] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: Yes, let them decide with spaces. Not having to configure the applications that allow them to customize tab lengths and deal with the ones that don't. no, you're deciding how much of an indent there is.[2016-5-01. : 1:05 am] jjf28 -- or when someone else commits code and I get a notification I often like to check it out[2016-5-01. : 1:05 am] jjf28 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Programming just never struck me as something I'd do on mobile devices. I don't code, but if for example I found a bug while working at a desktop, I might poke around on github during down time for the cause[2016-5-01. : 12:58 am] Roy -- "Upon closer examination of the data, a trend emerges: Developers increasingly prefer spaces as they gain experience. Stack Overflow reputation correlates with a preference for spaces, too: users who have 10,000 rep or more prefer spaces to tabs at a ratio of 3 to 1."[2016-5-01. : 12:56 am] Roy -- I used to believe tabs were the way to go, but that's when I was starting out. If you're new to the field, you'll hopefully become enlightened someday as well.[2016-5-01. : 12:48 am] Roy -- On the other hand, spaces always work, always produce the same result, don't get warped between applications, and don't cause any formatting problems. If it supports tabs, it supports spaces just as well or better.[2016-5-01. : 12:47 am] Corbo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Getting all these Notepad programmers riled up again XDDDDD I use SciTe[2016-5-01. : 12:45 am] Roy -- I already described the ideal solution a long time ago: no whitespace. If formatting customization is the responsibility of the IDE, it should do all of it, not a half-assed job with tabs that doesn't even work in all cases so you make up bizarre rules about when to use a combination of tabs and spaces to line things up.[2016-5-01. : 12:44 am] Roy -- Yes, let them decide with spaces. Not having to configure the applications that allow them to customize tab lengths and deal with the ones that don't.[2016-5-01. : 12:43 am] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: In all the ways. They're application-specific, whereas code formatting is uniform. that's the reason you SHOULD use them. Let the user decide how he likes his formatting.[2016-5-01. : 12:42 am] Moose -- You know, I kept reading heathens as heat-hens and it took me a few reads to understand how words work again.[2016-5-01. : 12:42 am] Roy -- In all the ways. They're application-specific, whereas code formatting is uniform.[2016-5-01. : 12:41 am] Roy -- Spaces are the correct tool to indent. Tabs are popular among newbies and heathens.[2016-5-01. : 12:41 am] Moose -- If there were an IDE on mobile device, it would also probably have automatic formatting.  [2016-5-01. : 12:39 am] NudeRaider -- Programming just never struck me as something I'd do on mobile devices.[2016-5-01. : 12:38 am] NudeRaider -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: NudeRaider not really, using mobile browsers/github is staying cutting edge yet you still get shitty tab spacing Aight. I'll take your word for it that spaces are behaving better on mobile devices.+[2016-5-01. : 12:37 am] Roy -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: Corbo Tabs of course, spaces are nonsense Ah, I see you're a casual.[2016-4-30. : 11:40 pm] KrayZee -- Drop the mic from the Obamas and the Queen of England and Prince Charles.[2016-4-30. : 11:19 pm] Dem0n -- smh inferno was like, "I have to do homework all day so no memes" and then he memes all day with you |
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