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[2016-5-01. : 2:10 pm]  lil-Inferno -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: I did it in 30 minutes and without the cheat sheet. Not because I'm some super genius, but actually because the test was pretty easy. Everyone else was just too dumb or unmotivated to study. Calling out people on their bullshit just so you can talk about yourself in 2016 SMH[2016-5-01. : 2:08 pm] lil-Inferno -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: The only thing that's going on here is your professor weeding out the crap. TiKels is a senior and it's nearing the end of the semester. I think it's a little too late to weed out the crap.[2016-5-01. : 1:46 pm] jjf28 -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I use four tabs per space just to make people angry. oh gawd the for loop header[2016-5-01. : 1:45 pm]  Moose -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I use four tabs per space just to make people angry. including myself[2016-5-01. : 1:44 pm] jjf28 -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: jjf28 If the standard were 4 spaces we wouldn't be discussing this as every program would interpret tabs as 4 spaces when using spaces for indents 4 is pretty standard [2016-5-01. : 1:34 pm] Moose -- We used to focus on memes, but we were looking at the wrong issue the entire time. We should have been looking at tabs versus spaces.[2016-5-01. : 1:26 pm]  Clokr_ -- And the big question, do you prefer girls who prefer tabs or spaces?[2016-5-01. : 1:21 pm] Pr0nogo -- i want cute girls to talk to me like they did when i was in high school[2016-5-01. : 1:17 pm] Moose -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: Yeah I guess it is impossible, I mean how are you supposed to do it when you've got plans this weekend to party? SacrieurSacrieur shouted: Maybe if you actually focused for an extended period of time for once in your life you'd find that yes, you can do all of those things, you just don't want to, because you'd rather surf reddit, play video games, hang out with friends, go out and party, or whatever the hell else you do. So yeah, the only reason it's impossible is because you're too lazy. You sure seem to know a lot about TiKels' life as well as the assignment his professor gave him.[2016-5-01. : 1:16 pm] Roy -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy tabs always work, always produce the result you want, get customized between applications and don't cause formatting problems. Wrong, wrong, not universally correct, and wrong. I have to manually replace tabs when sharing snippets of code outside of the IDE, which invalidates everything you just said.[2016-5-01. : 1:07 pm] Clokr_ -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Clokr_ tell them to stop pretending they're cool/nesting {} so high and to use the standard 4 spaces If the standard were 4 spaces we wouldn't be discussing this as every program would interpret tabs as 4 spaces [2016-5-01. : 12:27 pm] jjf28 -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: Tabs are as bad as loaded guns now. I'm just curious: if there are two people collaborating on a project, and they prefer distinct indentation lengths (4 spaces vs 2 spaces for example), how do you deal with this situation without tabs? tell them to stop pretending they're cool/nesting {} so high and to use the standard 4 spaces [2016-5-01. : 10:01 am] Clokr_ -- My experience with tabs as spaces was bad, but probably because of the editor I was using in which the tab key was translated always to 4 spaces and not to spaces until the next 4-aligned column.[2016-5-01. : 9:53 am] Clokr_ -- Tabs are as bad as loaded guns now. I'm just curious: if there are two people collaborating on a project, and they prefer distinct indentation lengths (4 spaces vs 2 spaces for example), how do you deal with this situation without tabs?[2016-5-01. : 9:35 am] Sacrieur -- May as well carry a loaded gun around with the safety off and cocked and hope it doesn't end up going off by accident.[2016-5-01. : 9:34 am] Clokr_ -- I think I agree though that except when you are working with plain text (and fixed-width fonts) there are usually better options than tabs for indenting.[2016-5-01. : 9:33 am] Sacrieur -- I never have any problems copying or pasting my code anywhere, either. Places such as pastebin or skype work just fine. But they don't handle tabs nearly as well.[2016-5-01. : 9:31 am] Sacrieur -- Getting them right was so frustrating I just tossed them out and used a grid.[2016-5-01. : 9:30 am] Sacrieur -- I was formatting a text document the other day, then saved it. When I sent it to another computer that could print it using professional printing equipment, everything was skewed and out of place. The formatting was all wrong so I had to spend another half an hour fixing it.[2016-5-01. : 9:28 am] Clokr_ -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: Clokr_ I can also make up some random numbers to make myself feel smart It's a matter of compatibility when you need compatibility. When you don't it's a matter of taste. Give me a single compatibility problem caused by the left-most indent tabs.[2016-5-01. : 9:28 am] Sacrieur -- Spaces never have comparability problems. They're not arbitrarily defined based on what the text formatter decides it should be, they have a concrete, definite meaning that's ubiquitous across all devices and services.[2016-5-01. : 9:26 am] Sacrieur -- It's a matter of compatibility. I just gave you two real world situations where tab characters have created compatibility problems.[2016-5-01. : 9:24 am] Clokr_ -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: Just like using tab characters for programming is silly. It's at most a matter of taste. I will agree though that if you are working with people on different IDEs or you are using different IDEs you might want to use spaces for anything but for the left-most indent. There, again, it is a matter of taste.[2016-5-01. : 9:23 am] Sacrieur -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: Also this: https://peterbraden.co.uk/article/space-infidel/ I can also make up some random numbers to make myself feel smart [2016-5-01. : 9:21 am] Clokr_ -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: I think they tried to use \t for the delimiter, so when you'd try to convert it, all sorts of weird things would happen. Using \t as a delimiter is silly.[2016-5-01. : 9:20 am] Sacrieur -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: Saving them as tabs let's you edit indent in a simple way on less complex editors while messes up aligned stuff if the tab size is not preset. I find as annoying when things don't show lined up as when I have to edit indent one space as a time. Then you've never used the "use spaces instead of tabs" option, because the tab key does the same thing as four spaces in any IDE I've used.[2016-5-01. : 9:19 am] Sacrieur -- I think they tried to use \t for the delimiter, so when you'd try to convert it, all sorts of weird things would happen.[2016-5-01. : 9:19 am] Sacrieur -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: Everybody is using damn tabs, because everybody hits the tab key sooner or later. The only difference is how they are stored. This is like unicode vs utf8. At work we had some data that could be exported into an excel file, only we don't use excel at work, we use openoffice. So naturally it doesn't want to import correctly. One of the problems is that it was encoded in UTF-8, but not properly for some reason.[2016-5-01. : 9:13 am] Clokr_ -- RoyRoy shouted: I used to believe tabs were the way to go, but that's when I was starting out. If you're new to the field, you'll hopefully become enlightened someday as well. Good thing we got plenty of enlightened people here at SEN [2016-5-01. : 8:36 am] Clokr_ -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: and as I'm adding stuff it's getting more consistent so I can get lazier Good [2016-5-01. : 8:35 am] Clokr_ -- It all depends on what editors you are using and what editors you are planning on using. In my opinion there are more editors which let you change tab width than that automatically read space groups as tabs.[2016-5-01. : 8:31 am] Clokr_ -- Saving them as tabs let's you edit indent in a simple way on less complex editors while messes up aligned stuff if the tab size is not preset. I find as annoying when things don't show lined up as when I have to edit indent one space as a time.[2016-5-01. : 8:28 am] Clokr_ -- Everybody is using damn tabs, because everybody hits the tab key sooner or later. The only difference is how they are stored. This is like unicode vs utf8.[2016-5-01. : 7:54 am] Sacrieur -- Maybe if you actually focused for an extended period of time for once in your life you'd find that yes, you can do all of those things, you just don't want to, because you'd rather surf reddit, play video games, hang out with friends, go out and party, or whatever the hell else you do. So yeah, the only reason it's impossible is because you're too lazy.[2016-5-01. : 7:53 am] Sacrieur -- Frankly I find the whole attitude of "The professor gave us a twenty page paper to write in two days! This is impossible!" exceptionally annoying. It's one of my pet peeves to hear people give me bullshit excuses about why they can't do something.[2016-5-01. : 7:51 am] Sacrieur -- I did it in 30 minutes and without the cheat sheet. Not because I'm some super genius, but actually because the test was pretty easy. Everyone else was just too dumb or unmotivated to study.[2016-5-01. : 7:50 am] Sacrieur -- He even made one of the questions extra credit because so many people did so awful.[2016-5-01. : 7:48 am] Sacrieur -- On my last midterm for my hardest class the professor gave us a a free cheat sheet, and still somehow over half the class got below a 70%.[2016-5-01. : 7:47 am] Sacrieur -- The only thing that's going on here is your professor weeding out the crap.[2016-5-01. : 7:42 am] Sacrieur -- Yeah I guess it is impossible, I mean how are you supposed to do it when you've got plans this weekend to party?[2016-5-01. : 6:22 am] TiKels -- I'm not sure what annoyed me more. The fact that I'm not used to nontraditional assignments, the fact that I've had so few, or that there was so little preparation[2016-5-01. : 6:21 am] TiKels -- So I discovered my professor gave us an assignment that is 100% impossible.[2016-5-01. : 4:27 am] Moose -- Just kidding, it uses \n, nobody uses /n because that's not an escaped character  |
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