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[2016-5-01. : 6:32 pm]  Moose -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: Mini Moose 2707 http://mrozekma.com/editor-learning-curve.png This is actually accurate[2016-5-01. : 6:31 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy if I see 8 spaces it could mean the coder likes wide indents and there should be 1 indent or that he likes indents 4 spaces wide. If I see 2 tabs, I know they want to indent twice. Solution: find literally any curly brace in the program and see how much it changes[2016-5-01. : 6:29 pm]  Clokr_ -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Clokr_ Need to get you guys on Linux for vi vs emacs http://mrozekma.com/editor-learning-curve.png[2016-5-01. : 6:28 pm]  NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: NudeRaider There were no issues with spaces, just with IDEs. Considering IDEs are in sole control of code, whereas code exists outside of IDEs, that's not a fault of spaces. if I see 8 spaces it could mean the coder likes wide indents and there should be 1 indent or that he likes indents 4 spaces wide. If I see 2 tabs, I know they want to indent twice.[2016-5-01. : 6:25 pm] Clokr_ -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Clokr_ Need to get you guys on Linux for vi vs emacs Isn't there a better alternative to those two?[2016-5-01. : 6:24 pm] Moose -- Clokr_Clokr_ shouted: Corbo And we haven't even started the git vs svn one! Need to get you guys on Linux for vi vs emacs[2016-5-01. : 6:22 pm] Clokr_ -- CorboCorbo shouted: When an argument has been going on the shoutbox for 3 days it automatically gets the title of "issue" And we haven't even started the git vs svn one! [2016-5-01. : 6:19 pm] Roy -- Perhaps you're making the faulty assumption that viewing code is equivocal to developing code.[2016-5-01. : 6:18 pm] Roy -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy except the issues addressed earlier... There were no issues with spaces, just with IDEs. Considering IDEs are in sole control of code, whereas code exists outside of IDEs, that's not a fault of spaces.[2016-5-01. : 6:17 pm] NudeRaider -- if there is, it's definitely not one for me, anyways. Because as stated I'm not coding.[2016-5-01. : 6:17 pm] Roy -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy if the answer is so obvious then you should release a paper that clears it up once and for all and thus provide a better future for all coders. The issue isn't that it's obvious, but that it isn't. Hence why people new to the field see the worse solution as the best one.[2016-5-01. : 6:17 pm] Corbo -- When an argument has been going on the shoutbox for 3 days it automatically gets the title of "issue" [2016-5-01. : 6:16 pm] NudeRaider -- CorboCorbo shouted: Dear lord, why is this an issue, really? who says it is?[2016-5-01. : 6:14 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: The fact that it does it just as well as tabs and eliminates all the issues tabs have is a miracle solution. except the issues addressed earlier...[2016-5-01. : 6:13 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Sacrieur sheesh just stay out of this if you have nothing meaningful to contruibute. You insult yourself by just being roys sidekick and agreeing with everything he says OH SHIT https://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif[2016-5-01. : 6:12 pm] NudeRaider -- on the other hand maybe preference is actually relevant and there is no clear right or wrong.[2016-5-01. : 6:12 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: The fact that IDEs have to support both tabs and spaces because of this foolhardiness is why the robustness of spaces cannot be uniformly secured in them. We can't treat space indentation exactly like tab indentation because of the use cases where they are mixed (which is something you hilariously advocate). It's perpetuating a detriment to our coding tools and productivity as a whole, but because such a large number of newcomers have an inexperienced yet stubborn perspective on the improper use of tabstops, we're forced to trudge along in mediocrity. if the answer is so obvious then you should release a paper that clears it up once and for all and thus provide a better future for all coders.[2016-5-01. : 6:10 pm] NudeRaider -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: NudeRaider There no pragmatic argument for using tabs instead of spaces. sheesh just stay out of this if you have nothing meaningful to contruibute. You insult yourself by just being roys sidekick and agreeing with everything he says[2016-5-01. : 6:08 pm] Sacrieur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy that's outside of the pragmatic argument I'm advocating, but I guess there's nothing wrong with sending code via mail, as long as it's (re-)viewed and edited with proper tools. There no pragmatic argument for using tabs instead of spaces.[2016-5-01. : 6:03 pm] Dem0n -- Why require someone to view it with the "proper" tools instead of just allowing them to view it in the mail?[2016-5-01. : 5:58 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: I write a SQL query to quickly pull some data. My QA tech wants the script. What do I do? that's outside of the pragmatic argument I'm advocating, but I guess there's nothing wrong with sending code via mail, as long as it's (re-)viewed and edited with proper tools.[2016-5-01. : 5:52 pm] Roy -- It adapts to the input you provide. If you give it code that was indented with tabs, it will use tabs, and if the code uses spaces, ST will also use spaces.[2016-5-01. : 5:49 pm] Roy -- The fact that IDEs have to support both tabs and spaces because of this foolhardiness is why the robustness of spaces cannot be uniformly secured in them. We can't treat space indentation exactly like tab indentation because of the use cases where they are mixed (which is something you hilariously advocate). It's perpetuating a detriment to our coding tools and productivity as a whole, but because such a large number of newcomers have an inexperienced yet stubborn perspective on the improper use of tabstops, we're forced to trudge along in mediocrity.[2016-5-01. : 5:47 pm] Roy -- You want to use a non-functional, problematic, issue-prone character that has inconsistent implementation and requires customization to be used because it semantically represents making the first line of a paragraph indented, as though it belongs in code in any manner.[2016-5-01. : 5:45 pm] Roy -- The fact that it does it just as well as tabs and eliminates all the issues tabs have is a miracle solution.[2016-5-01. : 5:44 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: It replaces a broken solution with a functional one. still just a workaround. It doesn't fix the problem that the programs you're using can't read the 'indent!' command.[2016-5-01. : 5:44 pm] zsnakezz -- man im depressed now, if i cant finish this map idk what it will do to my self confidence[2016-5-01. : 5:43 pm] NudeRaider -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: Why is a work around necessary? because he's using non-coding tools to handle code.[2016-5-01. : 5:43 pm] Roy -- Because the previous solution is faulty and causes more problems than it solves.[2016-5-01. : 5:42 pm] Roy -- Save the query into a SQL file, create an empty email, attach it, and send it to him? Or Just copy/paste into a message?[2016-5-01. : 5:42 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: Strangely enough, spaces work in all those applications with zero configuration. Tabs do not. it's not strange, it's because the workaround was invented with these limitations in mind.[2016-5-01. : 5:41 pm] Roy -- I write a SQL query to quickly pull some data. My QA tech wants the script. What do I do?[2016-5-01. : 5:41 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: Email is social media now? you certainly not gonna code in an email editor, so yes, in this context - at least more than labeling it a coding tool.[2016-5-01. : 5:40 pm] Roy -- Replace "Skype" with "Cisco Jabber" if you want. Messaging in the workplace is a very real thing, and the fact you think it isn't is likely correlated to your inexperience preferentially favoring tabs.[2016-5-01. : 5:39 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: Using programs that are a necessity when your profession is writing code. I don't consider sharing code over social media a necessity, but I'll concede that point anyways.[2016-5-01. : 5:37 pm] Roy -- Like I said, I used to like tabs. Now I see them for what they are: the wrong tool for the job. |
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