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[2016-7-18. : 4:43 am] Verdant -- the most I've ever heard of being balanced is sirlin with like 30-40 cards?[2016-7-18. : 4:43 am] Verdant -- I wouldn't even dream of balancing something with that many champions[2016-7-18. : 4:42 am]  Pr0nogo -- they had enough real estate to do most of what they wanted to do just by reworking older champs around the 100 champ mark[2016-7-18. : 4:42 am] Verdant -- it's never a good idea to introduce more stuff into a game that already has things that aren't working[2016-7-18. : 4:41 am] Pr0nogo -- any game with hundreds of playable characters is pretty hard to balance but summoner spells should, runes, and masteries should probably be removed[2016-7-18. : 4:41 am] Verdant -- maybe fine tuning would be hard, but you give me like six coders and a week, and I'll make it much more balanced[2016-7-18. : 4:40 am]  lil-Inferno -- VerdantVerdant shouted: less than 150k log into heroes of the storm and sc2 combined http://i.imgur.com/k5iyPuX.jpg[2016-7-18. : 4:39 am] Verdant -- at least blizzard engineers their bell curve so it's slightly harder to find evidence that it's imbalanced as fuck[2016-7-18. : 4:39 am] Pr0nogo -- i can regularly get accounts from b5 to d3 so i don't think that's the case[2016-7-18. : 4:39 am] Verdant -- it's designed to keep you at a low rank so you spend more money, that's why the population doesn't follow a bell curve[2016-7-18. : 4:39 am] Verdant -- it's not a skill gate that keeps players down, it's the ranking system[2016-7-18. : 4:38 am] Verdant -- I'm kind of holding out for another video game market collapse like ET brought about[2016-7-18. : 4:38 am] Pr0nogo -- league is pretty easy, you just need enough time to practise mechanics and someone to teach you macro and you're diamond 5 at least[2016-7-18. : 4:38 am] Pr0nogo -- big names like blizzard and riot and valve have the fiscal freedom to do whatever they want creatively and don't, which is the real tragedy imo, but i doubt it'll change anymore[2016-7-18. : 4:38 am] Verdant -- odds are the best league of legends player the world will ever see is in bronze right now[2016-7-18. : 4:37 am] Verdant -- you should feel lucky, it's actually nearly impossible for a player to get to that level[2016-7-18. : 4:37 am] Pr0nogo -- as someone who is top 0.25% of the playerbase in league's NA server i care more about competitive gameplay than casual stuff, so i'm not part of a demographic that pays for shit, which is all most companies cater to[2016-7-18. : 4:36 am] Verdant -- and taking all their revenue from wow and activision yearly releases[2016-7-18. : 4:36 am] Verdant -- I think they're just running most of their games on a skeleton crew[2016-7-18. : 4:36 am] Pr0nogo -- for the record, i don't think their creative practises are defencible, but their business ones seem to be working out for them so far, or something would change[2016-7-18. : 4:35 am] Verdant -- upwards of 30 million potential customers log into league every day[2016-7-18. : 4:35 am] Verdant -- their moba and starcraft are getting absolutely shit stomped with like .5% of the revenue of similar games by valve or riot[2016-7-18. : 4:35 am] Pr0nogo -- i would need to look at their marketing figures to be educated enough on the topic[2016-7-18. : 4:34 am] Verdant -- they're not though, this is all wow and call of duty money fueling them[2016-7-18. : 4:34 am] Verdant -- they're not remotely aware of how the casual market is working right now[2016-7-18. : 4:34 am] Pr0nogo -- i don't think they're making the right decisions but they must be doing something right on the financial end because their games are making bank[2016-7-18. : 4:34 am] Pr0nogo -- game developers need to get paid, so they seek out the path of least resistance, which often times is all about shallow face-value things[2016-7-18. : 4:33 am] Pr0nogo -- not necessarily, a lot of it comes from the average consumer not caring about the same things that hardcore gamers care about[2016-7-18. : 4:31 am] Pr0nogo -- their design philosophy is just money, which is fine if that's all they want[2016-7-18. : 4:30 am] Verdant -- oh I'm not making that argument, I'm just saying some bugs can be features[2016-7-18. : 4:30 am] Pr0nogo -- although there probably are some that can be seen more as features than as bugs given how odd iscripting works[2016-7-18. : 4:29 am] Pr0nogo -- unless you're making the argument that hydralisks not being able to follow player-issued commands for no reason makes the game better i don't think that applies here[2016-7-18. : 4:28 am] Verdant -- you can have bugs that make games better though, like bxr and bxb in halo[2016-7-18. : 4:28 am] Pr0nogo -- the original campaign story was awful and poorly told, voice acting was only sometimes good and even that failed to carry the story and presentation[2016-7-18. : 4:28 am] Pr0nogo -- scbw wasn't great, its multiplayer had to be balanced through maps because of shit game design and crippling 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