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[2016-9-13. : 11:02 pm]  Sacrieur -- Because I go up tax brackets, and they take out even bigger cuts.[2016-9-13. : 11:01 pm] Sacrieur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Sacrieur and what will your tax refund be like? Maybe 20% of all I paid in taxes over the year.[2016-9-13. : 11:00 pm]  Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Sacrieur and what will your tax refund be like? This is why I used last year's tax return[2016-9-13. : 11:00 pm]  Lanthanide -- SacrieurSacrieur shouted: According to the year to date, I've paid 42.8% of my entire income to taxes. and what will your tax refund be like?[2016-9-13. : 11:00 pm] Sacrieur -- AlzarathAlzarath shouted: I wonder if I can request a meatball sub, but instead of meatballs, one big meattube. Even out the distribution of meat. It's called a sloppy joe.[2016-9-13. : 10:59 pm] Moose -- AlzarathAlzarath shouted: I wonder if I can request a meatball sub, but instead of meatballs, one big meattube. Even out the distribution of meat. Most likely not, because the meatballs have been cooked already. Unless your sub shop cooks them on the spot.[2016-9-13. : 10:59 pm] Alzarath -- I wonder if I can request a meatball sub, but instead of meatballs, one big meattube. Even out the distribution of meat.[2016-9-13. : 10:58 pm] Sacrieur -- According to the year to date, I've paid 42.8% of my entire income to taxes.[2016-9-13. : 10:53 pm] Moose -- 27.95%? Add in another 1% for healthcare if you like, because you were able to forego coverage in 2015 for that penalty.[2016-9-13. : 10:53 pm] Lanthanide -- and may not directly affect them; but the fact that businesses can work in your country, leads to employment and goods and services being created that you benefit from, which otherwise wouldn't exist[2016-9-13. : 10:52 pm] Lanthanide -- and they don't appreciate the value that they get from their taxes[2016-9-13. : 10:52 pm] Lanthanide -- which I think is a lot of the problem people have with taxes - they imagine they pay a lot more than what they really do[2016-9-13. : 10:51 pm] Sacrieur -- You can approximate with the amount of money you budget towards specific categories.[2016-9-13. : 10:50 pm] Sacrieur -- Factor in money paid to social security, health insurance, state taxes, local taxes, and medicare.[2016-9-13. : 10:49 pm] Moose -- My effective tax rate based on my 2015 federal tax return is actually 16.52%. You must make a bit more than I do.[2016-9-13. : 10:49 pm] Sacrieur -- They may as well just come in and take half your stuff, give it to their friends and say, "WELL IF YA DONT LIKE IT YOU CAN LIVE IN SOMALIA LOL"[2016-9-13. : 10:48 pm] Sacrieur -- Do you think it's reasonable for you to do a bunch of work and have the government come in and take HALF of it away?[2016-9-13. : 10:47 pm] Sacrieur -- Yeah, good thing they're taking away 45% of my income every paycheck. Which is fucking unreasonable.[2016-9-13. : 10:47 pm] Moose -- Indeed, that's why Social Security and Medicare are literally specified as taxes on your W-2.[2016-9-13. : 10:46 pm] Sacrieur -- social security is a tax, having to pay for insurance is a tax, medicare is a tax[2016-9-13. : 10:46 pm] Moose -- They don't care if you feel good about paying them or even understand them so long as you pay them.[2016-9-13. : 10:45 pm] Sacrieur -- I'm saying taxes are fine, just hide your goddamn tax rate by pretending it's for my own benefit.[2016-9-13. : 10:45 pm] Moose -- Oh, so you're saying we need some sort of system where people can debate and agree on what the government does and doesn't spend money on. Perhaps by a representative government of some sort.[2016-9-13. : 10:43 pm] Lanthanide -- they don't have any taxation because they don't have a government[2016-9-13. : 10:43 pm] Sacrieur -- Not be forced to buy insurance for myself (because healthy people like me help subsidize the cost for sick people). Not be forced to pay for social security that the government promises that I'll get back if I live long enough.[2016-9-13. : 10:41 pm] Sacrieur -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Ya, need to go through every tax dollar in the budget and get rid of everything someone might personally disagree with They take it on the premise that it's going to be given back to me when I'm older; but that's not the case.[2016-9-13. : 10:41 pm] Sacrieur -- Being forced to pay money to subsidize an industry is still a tax.[2016-9-13. : 10:39 pm] Sacrieur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: i'll make this brief: sick people are paid by taxes, not their employer Great, so they take my money and spend it on old people to get viagra.[2016-9-13. : 10:39 pm] Moose -- Ya, need to go through every tax dollar in the budget and get rid of everything someone might personally disagree with[2016-9-13. : 10:38 pm] Sacrieur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: really people? Are you really that oblivious as to how social security works? You mean where they take my money and spend it on pet projects?[2016-9-13. : 10:29 pm] Lanthanide -- where you make someone's job difficult or unpleasant so they're forced to resign[2016-9-13. : 10:27 pm] Lanthanide -- and risk opening you company to an Unjustified Disadvantage personal greivance[2016-9-13. : 10:25 pm] lil-Inferno -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: in NZ we have fairly strong worker protection laws, so you can't fire someone for "no reason" or for taking too much annual leave, etc But you can make their life miserable and hope they leave on their own C|X^ D[2016-9-13. : 10:25 pm] Lanthanide -- which is also why you'd never get an unlimited leave clause in a contract here[2016-9-13. : 10:24 pm] Lanthanide -- in NZ we have fairly strong worker protection laws, so you can't fire someone for "no reason" or for taking too much annual leave, etc[2016-9-13. : 10:24 pm] Lanthanide -- yeah, that's a nice "perk' on paper, but useless if you can't actually use it[2016-9-13. : 10:22 pm] lil-Inferno -- Some tech companies offer unlimited paid vacation, but no one takes advantage of it cuz they fear what other people will think of them C|X^ D[2016-9-13. : 10:07 pm] Lanthanide -- http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/84235203/hillary-clintons-body-double-bizarre-conspiracies-ignite-after-911-faint[2016-9-13. : 9:33 pm] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide so who pays your food and rent then? yip, so if you're often sick, it can make your budget pretty tight[2016-9-13. : 9:26 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider we have unpaid sick leave if you run out of paid sick leave. It just means it's unpaid so who pays your food and rent then?[2016-9-13. : 9:05 pm] jjf28 -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Mini Moose 2707 New Zealand has Fairness: https://www.amazon.com/Fairness-Freedom-History-Societies-Zealand/dp/0199832706 who asked?  [2016-9-13. : 7:28 pm] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide what kind of sick (pun intended) system is that where your employer gets to force you to work when you happen to be sick for too long? Maybe I should be more thankful for our social security. we have unpaid sick leave if you run out of paid sick leave. It just means it's unpaid [2016-9-13. : 7:24 pm] Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Here there's no requirement but employers can give whatever they choose to because we have FREEDOM. (freedom to fuck people over LMAO) New Zealand has Fairness: https://www.amazon.com/Fairness-Freedom-History-Societies-Zealand/dp/0199832706 |