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[2016-11-10. : 5:47 am]  CecilSunkure -- Anyway, I think white guilt is a huge problem, and totally racist. So if anyone feels that way maybe they should at least be aware of why[2016-11-10. : 5:46 am] CecilSunkure -- "White guilt is the individual or collective guilt felt by some white people for harm resulting from racist treatment of ethnic minorities by other white people both historically and currently."[2016-11-10. : 5:45 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: CecilSunkure I was hoping to find a clip of Archer laughing and saying "yes" but I am not jjf and could not find one in time I have that problem all the time [2016-11-10. : 5:44 am] Fire_Kame -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Fire_Kame It's shitty to want someone to feel bad? I was hoping to find a clip of Archer laughing and saying "yes" but I am not jjf and could not find one in time [2016-11-10. : 5:44 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure yes And, too bad! Everyone should feel bad for making bad choices[2016-11-10. : 5:43 am] CecilSunkure -- Feelings are what lead to massaging SAT scores with racist policies[2016-11-10. : 5:42 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Fire_Kame It's shitty to want someone to feel bad? yes[2016-11-10. : 5:42 am] CecilSunkure -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: no, I'm referring to the shitty opinion you posted in the Trump thread It's shitty to want someone to feel bad?[2016-11-10. : 5:42 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: too bad that there was no random average Joe available for presidency... :< presidential candidacy is expensive. Though, I would want someone with some experience handling nationwide issues[2016-11-10. : 5:42 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure you goddamn SJW SJWs employ racism. Pointing it out is just pointing it out [2016-11-10. : 5:41 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: "My attitude", you mean pointing out racism you goddamn SJW [2016-11-10. : 5:41 am] Fire_Kame -- no, I'm referring to the shitty opinion you posted in the Trump thread[2016-11-10. : 5:40 am] Ahli -- too bad that there was no random average Joe available for presidency... :<[2016-11-10. : 5:40 am] Fire_Kame -- most people were so desperate to change the system that they'd bet everything on a misogynistic, racist, sexist bigot that uses words like "hugely"[2016-11-10. : 5:39 am] Fire_Kame -- Believe it or not, people with Cecil's terrible attitude are loud, but in the minority.[2016-11-10. : 5:39 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: Fire_Kame "belittling poor communities is so institutionalized"... that should be tackled... it's impossible to achieve racial equality, if your system is f*cked up to the bones. aaaaand to come full circle, this is why, in the end, so much of America voted for Trump. America saw Clinton as the epitome of the system, a political dynasty, one with a shoddy track record and one that had proven time and time again to flip depending on what would be best for her career. People so Trump as an outsider, someone who would fight and win for the middle class because he wasn't corrupted by the political system. It was completely misguided[2016-11-10. : 5:37 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure Because having poor people is bad? White guilt is feeling like you racially owe something for past events (especially past racist events). Now I can't know what you feel, but am definitely pointing out this is how you sound to me[2016-11-10. : 5:36 am] Ahli -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: Ahli part of that is Germany can fit inside of Texas. Each state has a surprising level of autonomy apart from one another. I agree - income based programs would be much more beneficial. The problem is that degrading and belittling poor communities is so institutionalized, it's hard to break out of "belittling poor communities is so institutionalized"... that should be tackled... it's impossible to achieve racial equality, if your system is f*cked up to the bones.[2016-11-10. : 5:36 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion Attempt to close the gap. Why? Because of past racism. That is an atonement. Because having poor people is bad?[2016-11-10. : 5:35 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: I never said anything about atoning, I said there exists a socioeconomic gap that relates to this being a thing, and this is an attempt to close that gap Attempt to close the gap. Why? Because of past racism. That is an atonement.[2016-11-10. : 5:35 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I never said anything about atoning, I said there exists a socioeconomic gap that relates to this being a thing, and this is an attempt to close that gap[2016-11-10. : 5:34 am] Ahli -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: I really need to go to bed...sorry Ahli. You have good ideas...I'm sure that we've tried to move to income based assistance before (actually, that's the basis of FAFSA, the largest college funding program in the states, but if you live in a poorer area you may not know how to access those funds in the first place) that's really sad[2016-11-10. : 5:34 am] CecilSunkure -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion You didn't just say they existed. You said that it's important to apply racist policies because past race crimes should be atoned for today. That is nearly by definition white guilt[2016-11-10. : 5:34 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: How is it white guilt that segregation laws existed? You didn't just say they existed. You said that it's important to apply racist policies because past race crimes should be atoned for today.[2016-11-10. : 5:34 am] Fire_Kame -- I really need to go to bed...sorry Ahli. You have good ideas...I'm sure that we've tried to move to income based assistance before (actually, that's the basis of FAFSA, the largest college funding program in the states, but if you live in a poorer area you may not know how to access those funds in the first place)[2016-11-10. : 5:34 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Our country was literally geographically divided by race, and those divisions still exist in some places[2016-11-10. : 5:33 am] Fire_Kame -- Cecil you're the only person name calling. Don't you find that sad?[2016-11-10. : 5:32 am] CecilSunkure -- I know you said you didn't agree with the racist SAT policy, but you are coming off to me like a typical white guilt ridden SJW[2016-11-10. : 5:32 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: Fire_Kame that's why the system should use income instead of race... but well, what do I know... there is no racism in Germany that I am aware of, only a disparity in the social/financial status (which will grow in future because pretty much everywhere rich get richer and poor get poorer). part of that is Germany can fit inside of Texas. Each state has a surprising level of autonomy apart from one another. I agree - income based programs would be much more beneficial. The problem is that degrading and belittling poor communities is so institutionalized, it's hard to break out of[2016-11-10. : 5:31 am] Ahli -- well, we have a quota for women in higher positions I believe... that doesn't make too much sense to me, but it won't hurt too much unless there are no women with decent experience.[2016-11-10. : 5:30 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure It's historical racism from segregation laws, by being forced into ghettos with underfunded schools, that nobody bothered trying to fix Honestly just sounds like white guilt rhetoric.[2016-11-10. : 5:29 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- AhliAhli shouted: Fire_Kame that's why the system should use income instead of race... but well, what do I know... there is no racism in Germany that I am aware of, only a disparity in the social/financial status (which will grow in future because pretty much everywhere rich get richer and poor get poorer). based on income instead of race is a good idea[2016-11-10. : 5:28 am] Ahli -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: it's all a slippery slope that starts with income disparity that's why the system should use income instead of race... but well, what do I know... there is no racism in Germany that I am aware of, only a disparity in the social/financial status (which will grow in future because pretty much everywhere rich get richer and poor get poorer).[2016-11-10. : 5:26 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure It's historical racism from segregation laws, by being forced into ghettos with underfunded schools, that nobody bothered trying to fix I don't agree.[2016-11-10. : 5:26 am] CecilSunkure -- My two points still stand; A) Adjusting scores is racist. B) Adjusting scores hides reality and makes it harder to figure out what real problems are.[2016-11-10. : 5:25 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion I don't agree. I don't think there's any racism that prevents blacks from succeeding on a wide socioeconomic level. It's historical racism from segregation laws, by being forced into ghettos with underfunded schools, that nobody bothered trying to fix[2016-11-10. : 5:24 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: it's all a slippery slope that starts with income disparity I agree[2016-11-10. : 5:24 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: No, they want more blacks in school because they are a people who are still suffering socioeconomically from actual racism I don't agree. I don't think there's any racism that prevents blacks from succeeding on a wide socioeconomic level.[2016-11-10. : 5:24 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- No, they want more blacks in school because they are a people who are still suffering socioeconomically from actual racism[2016-11-10. : 5:23 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: Fire_Kame I mean like taught content and comparable grades, so every child has approximately the same knowledge foundation and the same opportunities to advance further. usually at a state level, yes. The problem is that if you go to some states, like down south, the income disparity is so immense there is no possible way two counties could be comparable on the same state-wide curriculum.[2016-11-10. : 5:22 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure why the policy exists The policy exists because people want more blacks in schools...[2016-11-10. : 5:22 am] Fire_Kame -- Dubya tried to change it with No Kid Left Behind, but that actually hurt the poorer communities more because they lost funding for not keeping up. And it hurt all schools more because everyone teaches to these national tests instead of teaching...reading comprehension or life skills[2016-11-10. : 5:22 am] Ahli -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: Ahli depends on who's counting, and how. The only national standardized tests are the SAT and ACT - if you get that far. I mean like taught content and comparable grades, so every child has approximately the same knowledge foundation and the same opportunities to advance further.[2016-11-10. : 5:22 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion "reason why" of what? I'm lost why the policy exists[2016-11-10. : 5:22 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: My argument is that you're ignoring the reason why just because it slightly inconveniences you "reason why" of what? I'm lost[2016-11-10. : 5:22 am] Fire_Kame -- there's ITBS at lower grades, a lot of states use that. We have CSAP which is more reading comprehension and CoGat, which is cognitive ability. But every state has different ones[2016-11-10. : 5:21 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure I never said I agreed with that particular policy. But I agree the issue it's trying to tackle is legitimate Oh ok I'll take your word on that then.[2016-11-10. : 5:21 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- My argument is that you're ignoring the reason why just because it slightly inconveniences you[2016-11-10. : 5:21 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion No, because you think using a racist policy to prevent "whites getting richer and blacks getting poorer" is a good thing I never said I agreed with that particular policy. But I agree the issue it's trying to tackle is legitimate[2016-11-10. : 5:21 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: wait, your schools aren't even comparable? depends on who's counting, and how. The only national standardized tests are the SAT and ACT - if you get that far.[2016-11-10. : 5:20 am] Fire_Kame -- but the question is, will you risk 5 drop outs to give one guy a chance he'd never otherwise have?[2016-11-10. : 5:20 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure Is it because I said "Whites"? No, because you think using a racist policy to prevent "whites getting richer and blacks getting poorer" is a good thing |