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[2016-11-10. : 8:04 am]  CecilSunkure -- Find me a single case of that happening without said police officers being punished legally. Then you can complain about it[2016-11-10. : 8:04 am]  Sand Wraith -- Commies aren't a race, the Chinese are, and the Chinese government was Communist.[2016-11-10. : 8:04 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Or the USA with the current police force targetting Black folk and shooting them for following instructions I don't believe in that.[2016-11-10. : 8:04 am] Sand Wraith -- Or the USA with the current police force targetting Black folk and shooting them for following instructions[2016-11-10. : 8:03 am] CecilSunkure -- We aren't germany. We aren't Canada. We aren't britian. Also we aren't the past US anymore[2016-11-10. : 8:03 am] Sand Wraith -- Yeah, and Nazi Germany against Jews, and Canada against anyone Asian during WW2, or the USA in WW3, or the USA during the Crow era, or Britain when sodomy laws were a thing (definitlely wasn't to go after the gays)[2016-11-10. : 8:02 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: yeah governments never went out of their way to go after a race of people Except in CA against white people[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] Sand Wraith -- yeah governments never went out of their way to go after a race of people[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] Lanthanide -- yes, and I don't know why you'd think we were even talking about government entities[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] CecilSunkure -- I think it's obvious they are taken advantage of because they are poor[2016-11-10. : 8:01 am] CecilSunkure -- It's super silly to think government entities are "out to get the viet people" because they are viet[2016-11-10. : 7:59 am] CecilSunkure -- eh I personally never met anyone racist except towards white people[2016-11-10. : 7:58 am] Sand Wraith -- so how come it doesn't happen? how come people don't do that outreach?[2016-11-10. : 7:58 am] CecilSunkure -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: but if they're not poor, then you won't help them If they aren't poor then they'd be in the camp helping other poor people, no?[2016-11-10. : 7:58 am] CecilSunkure -- We don't outreach because they are viet. We do it because they are economically disadvantaged and need help[2016-11-10. : 7:57 am] CecilSunkure -- See how I made economic reasons for outreach? Sure, they happen to share a race. Irrelevant..[2016-11-10. : 7:57 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: and a racist action would be creating a programme that encourages outreach to the viet community because it targets viet people!! Not if those viet people are collectively poor, and they need representation because they are economically disadvantaged due to having A) lost a war and B) have a hard time learning english as a whole[2016-11-10. : 7:56 am] Sand Wraith -- and a racist action would be creating a programme that encourages outreach to the viet community because it targets viet people!![2016-11-10. : 7:56 am] CecilSunkure -- I really don't think using racial discrimination will ever solve a racial discrimination problem[2016-11-10. : 7:56 am] Lanthanide -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Sand Wraith Yeah of course I do. I just don't believe in taking racist actions not overt ones, anyway[2016-11-10. : 7:55 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Yeah of course I do. I just don't believe in taking racist actions like seriously, you ever stop to wonder that maybe they're not interested because they never receive outreach, don't feel welcome, or don't have the tools to overcome barriers (like language)?[2016-11-10. : 7:55 am] CecilSunkure -- When you find these cases, I don't think that makes it OK to employ *any* racist policy[2016-11-10. : 7:55 am] Sand Wraith -- like seriously, you ever stop to wonder that maybe they're not interested because they never receive outreach, don't feel welcome, or don't have the tools to overcome barriers (like language)?[2016-11-10. : 7:54 am] CecilSunkure -- If you want to make the case that a group of people aren't represented that's fine[2016-11-10. : 7:54 am] Sand Wraith -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Also, in my experience, minorities don't partake in politics of their own volition Yeah, maybe that has to do a lack of outreach from the existing community.[2016-11-10. : 7:54 am] CecilSunkure -- For example the viet community in Seattle does not partake in politics really at all, and they suffer as a result. But that's their choice[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] Sand Wraith -- And there are tons of cases where it doesn't and even if a case gets examined by an outer force, other racists are appointed.[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] CecilSunkure -- Also, in my experience, minorities don't partake in politics of their own volition[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: It doesn't except when a community has a political or police force that doesn't represent the minorities and none of the political actors or officers do anything... because they're racist. Cases where police forces are racist happen, and they should be prosecuted and convicted, and there are many cases where this happens.[2016-11-10. : 7:53 am] Sand Wraith -- which might be comprised of a majority of nationally racial minority*[2016-11-10. : 7:52 am] Sand Wraith -- It doesn't except when a community has a political or police force that doesn't represent the minorities and none of the political actors or officers do anything... because they're racist.[2016-11-10. : 7:51 am] Lanthanide -- unfortunately most republicans say that there shouldn't be any race-based policies and the poor should be helped, but then they put the boot into the poor, too[2016-11-10. : 7:50 am] CecilSunkure -- Well its OK if they are minorities. It's irrelevant if they are minorities[2016-11-10. : 7:50 am] Sand Wraith -- yeah, helping poor communities, most of which comprise minorities.[2016-11-10. : 7:50 am] CecilSunkure -- If instead we focus on helping poor communities, then eventually communities in poverty will be lifted to fruitfullness, and all proportions will balance out naturally[2016-11-10. : 7:49 am] CecilSunkure -- For example, if we enforce diversity quotas in hiring, then qualified white people will not get the jobs, and the economy will suffer if those spots are not filled with qualified individuals. In practice, those spots are filled with idiots.[2016-11-10. : 7:48 am] MasterJohnny -- The problem with that is that its possible to be racist without explicitly doing so...[2016-11-10. : 7:48 am] CecilSunkure -- The reason is because I don't believe race is a causation for lack of opportunity anymore. I think focusing on race any longer leads to reductive results |
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