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[2016-11-10. : 11:20 pm]  CecilSunkure -- RoyRoy shouted: CecilSunkure I don't like his stances on technology. Fair. I don't like most rich people's stances on technology. I even think Elon Musk is completely out of touch when it comes to tech.[2016-11-10. : 11:20 pm] CecilSunkure -- Probably both. He's a women hating liar because he said something about pussy grabbing. How dare he.[2016-11-10. : 11:19 pm] CecilSunkure -- He also said something about pussy grabbing, so clearly he's either a women hater or a liar about hating women. Right?[2016-11-10. : 11:19 pm] Roy -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: It just sounds like he rubs you the wrong way and you plain don't like him I don't like his stances on technology.[2016-11-10. : 11:18 pm]  Lanthanide -- did you see the one where he said Obama was "screaming" at a protestor?[2016-11-10. : 11:18 pm] CecilSunkure -- It just sounds like he rubs you the wrong way and you plain don't like him[2016-11-10. : 11:18 pm] Lanthanide -- that's the sort of completely out of touch stuff that a lot of Trump supporters (or really just republicans) believe because they live in this bubble of conspiracy theories[2016-11-10. : 11:17 pm] CecilSunkure -- To me it sounds like Lanth just isn't familiar with brash western blunt-speak[2016-11-10. : 11:17 pm] Lanthanide -- he said he "wanted to know why Obama wasn't in the oval office and how he let it happen"[2016-11-10. : 11:16 pm] Lanthanide -- I saw an interview with a trump supporter at a rally, who "wanted to know what Obama was doing, that allowed september 11 to happen"[2016-11-10. : 11:16 pm] Lanthanide -- for example there, you can see one where he says he draws bigger crowds than Jay Z and beyonce[2016-11-10. : 11:15 pm] Lanthanide -- but it all goes together to construct this narrative that doesn't reflect reality[2016-11-10. : 11:15 pm] Lanthanide -- a lot of Trump's lies are about inconsequential things that don't really matter[2016-11-10. : 11:15 pm] Roy -- I don't recall Trump making a whole lot of lies; Clinton, on the other hand...[2016-11-10. : 11:14 pm] Lanthanide -- yes, he also says he'll do thing that are impossible, amongst his lies[2016-11-10. : 11:13 pm] Roy -- I mean, technically, not understanding that you can't fulfill the promises you're making isn't lying. So Trump could just be incredibly ignorant.[2016-11-10. : 11:13 pm] Lanthanide -- he is also those things, but right now I'm talking about how he lied the most out of any candidate ever[2016-11-10. : 11:13 pm] Lanthanide -- ahh right, one of those people that think socialism means you don't own anything, and give all your money to the poor[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] CecilSunkure -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: well Trump is the biggest lying candidate ever, so yeah You mean the most politically incorrect and abrasive?[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] Lanthanide -- seems most people don't care if their candidates gratuitously lie to them[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] CecilSunkure -- And once he dropped out bought his what, third house? That's not even slightly socialist[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] Roy -- UBI is a band-aid that I doubt the US is going to apply until the wound is festering.[2016-11-10. : 11:11 pm] CecilSunkure -- I don't think he was at all a better candidate than Hillary. Personally I took a brief look at some of Bernie's tax plans, and he straight up wanted to heavily tax the middle class[2016-11-10. : 11:11 pm] Roy -- More socialist policies would help solve the automation issue we're seeing with the current capitalist system.[2016-11-10. : 11:08 pm]  Moose -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Roy Probably because he was a socialist, not strictly a Democrat himself Ya, and "socialist" means "literally Stalin" around here LMAO[2016-11-10. : 11:08 pm] Roy -- Honestly, that doesn't sound worse than what he's currently doing, which is surrounding himself with "the swamp".[2016-11-10. : 11:07 pm] Roy -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Roy Probably because he was a socialist, not strictly a Democrat himself Of course; he just picked one of the two parties because that's the only way you'd stand a chance, and his policies lined up more with D than R.[2016-11-10. : 11:06 pm] Roy -- Actually, I take back 2008: McCain was a good candidate, but Palin was an awful VP choice.[2016-11-10. : 11:06 pm] CecilSunkure -- RoyRoy shouted: Yeah, well, a lot of Bernie supporters weren't strictly Democrats, so that's another problem. Probably because he was a socialist, not strictly a Democrat himself [2016-11-10. : 11:04 pm] Roy -- It seems like the GOP has little control over the candidate they end up with, which has been a disaster for them in 2008 and 2012, but worked out quite nicely for them in 2016.[2016-11-10. : 11:02 pm] Roy -- Yeah, well, a lot of Bernie supporters weren't strictly Democrats, so that's another problem. [2016-11-10. : 11:02 pm] Moose -- And surprised that all the Democrats who registered to vote in closed primaries for Bernie suddenly weren't voting Democrat, what a shocker X^D[2016-11-10. : 11:01 pm] Roy -- Instead, people didn't want to vote for the face of establishment and corruption, so they didn't go to the polls. Trump's supporters were faced with an opposite prospect.[2016-11-10. : 11:00 pm] Roy -- Yeah, the dirt throwing didn't affect much. But Clinton still lost, because she wasn't the voice of the people. She was seated by the DNC, who hoped people would just vote for the person with the "(D)" next to their name.[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Lanthanide -- the republicans have been throwing dirt at clinton for decades, and even the email scandal wasn't really the knockout they needed it to be[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Roy -- The head-to-head polls were against each of the GOP candidates. It was consistent.[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Lanthanide -- and similarly, because Bernie was such a left-fielder and unknown, it's unclear how he would have gone in the presidential race - no one knew what dirt there was to dig up on him[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Roy -- She wasn't. The low voter turnout shows that. Compare her numbers to Obama's.[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- the head to head polls between Sanders and Trump aren't worth a lot, really, since at the time there wasn't certainty that Trump would be the nominee[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- I'm just refuting Roy's point that Clinton wasn't the voice of the people, despite her winning the popular vote over Bernie[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- the evidence suggests that the DNC did things that they probably shouldn't have[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Roy -- True, but you can easily look at head-to-head polls to see that Sanders was the smarter choice there, too.[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Lanthanide -- and the policies/personality/charisma/platform aren't the only important factors in winning the general election, either[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Roy -- It was that her name was "Clinton". And maybe female voters were swayed by her being a woman.[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Moose -- You don't think the DNC pulled any shenanigans in favor of Clinton during the primaries?[2016-11-10. : 10:55 pm] Roy -- There's a combination of factors, but Clinton had far more name recognition, and she used that to her full advantage to get ahead. It wasn't her policies/personality/charisma/platform/etc. that had her lead in the primaries.[2016-11-10. : 10:55 pm] Lanthanide -- and I don't even live in your country and I'm not directly affected by your president |
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