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[2016-11-10. : 7:48 am]  CecilSunkure -- The reason is because I don't believe race is a causation for lack of opportunity anymore. I think focusing on race any longer leads to reductive results[2016-11-10. : 7:46 am] CecilSunkure -- Doesn't matter of there's a racial correlation. If one makes any policy or action based on race, then it's racism perpetuated[2016-11-10. : 7:46 am]  Sand Wraith -- it's not the sole problem but race is a line on which economic exploitation occurs.[2016-11-10. : 7:46 am] Sand Wraith -- yeah except I don't when the stats are overwhelmingly correlate race with poverty and access to economic opportunities[2016-11-10. : 7:45 am] CecilSunkure -- I find that lazy and brings about many terrible consequences in the social and emotional spheres[2016-11-10. : 7:45 am] CecilSunkure -- I think it's silly to look at stats and jump to the conclusion of racial causation[2016-11-10. : 7:44 am] CecilSunkure -- And yep, some of those geographic points happen to contain many people of a specific race. But I think that's irrelevant. The poor are poor and that's where I think we should focus[2016-11-10. : 7:43 am] CecilSunkure -- I don't think it's tied to a specific race, but instead tied to geographic and economics[2016-11-10. : 7:43 am] CecilSunkure -- I think lots of people are poor disproportionately, especially according to geography[2016-11-10. : 7:42 am] Sand Wraith -- i see. i believe you. are white people poor to the point of disproportion relative to other communities and the poverty they have to deal with?[2016-11-10. : 7:42 am] CecilSunkure -- There are tons of poor white people. There are just tons of poor people in general[2016-11-10. : 7:41 am] Sand Wraith -- is there a very high correlation of white communities and poverty in the community?\[2016-11-10. : 7:41 am] CecilSunkure -- Enforcing diversity quotas during hiring and SAT scores is what I saw[2016-11-10. : 7:39 am] Sand Wraith -- Okay, let's assume I believe you. Why does this one industry being not-white mean that straight cis white people are systematically discrimnated against?\[2016-11-10. : 7:38 am] CecilSunkure -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Cecil. How does a country predominantly populated by white cis straight people at every level of financial and political status have any systematic racism or discrimination against white straight cis people? The owner or leader of almost every major tech company in the US is non-white. Case in point MS is run largely be Indians[2016-11-10. : 7:37 am] CecilSunkure -- It seemed like it wasn't a secret since the score adjustment only counts for certain schools within CA. So if you apply elsewhere maybe you can easily see the difference[2016-11-10. : 7:37 am] Sand Wraith -- Cecil. How does a country predominantly populated by white cis straight people at every level of financial and political status have any systematic racism or discrimination against white straight cis people?[2016-11-10. : 7:36 am] Lanthanide -- how would she even know, unless the college admission people told her?[2016-11-10. : 7:35 am] Lanthanide -- it's nice if you're going to sell a product like this to asian families, that as part of your marketing you show that they really need your services because otherwise they get penalised by 50 points[2016-11-10. : 7:35 am] CecilSunkure -- Well anecdotally my significant other is from CA and she claims to have had points deducted[2016-11-10. : 7:35 am] Lanthanide -- and actually they're targetting asians, who they say are penalised by 50 points, but they don't actually have evidence for that[2016-11-10. : 7:35 am] Lanthanide -- note the word "assumes", all that stuff about adjusting scores with 'bonus' points is just made up by that company[2016-11-10. : 7:34 am] Lanthanide -- although actually that article about the SAT scores, says this: "Lee is the co-founder of HS2 Academy, a college prep business that assumes that racial bias is a fact of college admissions and counsels students accordingly. "[2016-11-10. : 7:34 am] Sand Wraith -- No I'm thinking of http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/14-words.html[2016-11-10. : 7:34 am] CecilSunkure -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: kill all cis people : D I mean at least you passionate and go all the way. Commendable[2016-11-10. : 7:31 am] NudeRaider -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Dark humour. Ignore me, I have no chill. Not what I meant. I just think the issue is that I haven't heard of your figure of speech yet. But the follow up comment makes me think you're alluding to the 14 words that are spoken at someone's grave?[2016-11-10. : 7:30 am] NudeRaider -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Revolution pls this. I've also been demanding that for a while for Germany now.  [2016-11-10. : 7:29 am] Sand Wraith -- ohgodno-- oh wait, both candidates were terrible for multiple reasons[2016-11-10. : 7:26 am] NudeRaider -- from what I read her campaign only touched side issues like lbgt and education, but left out huge fields like unemployed workers, or men in general.[2016-11-10. : 7:16 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- but I don't really know, people were just like "At least he's not Hillary"[2016-11-10. : 7:15 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I don't think it was her campaign, I think it was the other stuff[2016-11-10. : 7:15 am] NudeRaider -- hm. The Internet seems to believe Trump won because of Hilliary. What do you think? Was her campaign (not the things she's done before) really that repugnant?[2016-11-10. : 7:06 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- also I still believe that everyone is the same (but our differences make us interesting and special), we all share this same rock and everyone should just be pacifists. or, you know, whatever  [2016-11-10. : 6:53 am] CecilSunkure -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: CecilSunkure no it isn't. Rich should be forced, to further this cause more than the average guy, but really it's the whole society's responsibility. OK. I think I agree with that[2016-11-10. : 6:53 am] NudeRaider -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: and I think it's the responsibility of the rich to fulfill A and B. no it isn't. Rich should be forced, to further this cause more than the average guy, but really it's the whole society's responsibility. |