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Unit Target is lost after X time?
Oct 29 2015, 2:21 am
By: Tf2Prophete  

Oct 29 2015, 2:21 am Tf2Prophete Post #1



So this has been a bit of an issue in the game Snipers Bald Locks for awhile and I just figured I would post about it and see if its something that can be helped or not.

The first question I guess is just simply, if you lose vision of a unit you have attack-clicked (Locked, targeted ect.) for X amount of time does it eventually lose focus and break the lock?

If its not a natural thing, what could cause this? This is a problem in Snipers Bald Locks because sometimes when you lock someone and they travel a bit of a distance your lock is dropped.



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Oct 29 2015, 2:20 pm jjf28 Post #2

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Isn't locking on in such a fashion considered 'Nub Locking'? :P

I would guess it's natural, it's possible that it's due to the various vision and alliance mechanics in Snipers, an easy way to test is to copy the terrain of Bald Locks into a fresh map and see if you can reproduce the target-loss.



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Oct 30 2015, 12:50 am Roy Post #3

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Oh, it wasn't until jjf's post that I realized you're talking about attack ordering, rather than using Lockdown. Here's my general understanding:

Quote from Tf2Prophete
The first question I guess is just simply, if you lose vision of a unit you have attack-clicked (Locked, targeted ect.) for X amount of time does it eventually lose focus and break the lock?
Yes, it is based on vision. If your client has no vision for their target, they will move to the last location you saw the target at and then stop there. This mechanic makes sense in that it doesn't allow you to track your opponents' units when you don't actually know where they are.

If the targeted unit is seen again, your unit will update its order, though not immediately: there's a periodic poll to determine if the unit's order should be updated. This means the AI doesn't always take the most efficient path to its destination, as it doesn't immediately act on new information.

Quote from Tf2Prophete
If its not a natural thing, what could cause this? This is a problem in Snipers Bald Locks because sometimes when you lock someone and they travel a bit of a distance your lock is dropped.
It's not a problem: it's a feature, one that Bald Locks was built around. If you lose and regain vision on a unit you've targeted, the time it takes for your unit to attack is slower than if you reissue the order manually. You can't just target last-second and then lean back and expect to automatically win the exchange: you have to be ready to issue a fresh target for optimal results, which requires dexterity and reflexes.

Here's a shitty gif I made, using the powers of SCMDraft, GIMP, and MSPaint:


The orange circle is where Red last saw Blue's Ghost, so that's where his Ghost goes. If Blue never shows up again, Red would stop at the orange circle and switch to a "Stop" order. However, Blue wanders back into view, but before Red's Ghost updates its target, Blue's Ghost is ordered to attack and gets the kill first.

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[08:06 am]
NudeRaider -- NudeRaider
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[08:05 am]
NudeRaider -- Oh_Man Artosis hasn't caught on how devastating the perfect focus fire is. With the mutas he was like "the Mutas always seem to have less hp than against a human". But he didn't notice that the flock he had selected always just had one muta that was hurt. Same with the wraiths here. He's talking about how valks+wraith is gonna destroy Pluto's valks, then 5s later he's dumbfounded the human player's air is just gone and he never figured out why. And for some reason didn't even think to go back and look at the battle.
[02:18 am]
Oh_Man -- Close enuf
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Vrael -- 240*12*2 is 5760, where is the other 240 APM?
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Oh_Man -- 1 action is selecting the unit and another action is moving it
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