African Americans are either religiously catholic/christian and/or at a Muslim descendant. Some claims to be atheists. My mom has a strong catholic belief yet she is supporting Barack Obama. President George W. Bush did not do well on his job despite the countless facts. And former President Clinton had shaped this economy a lot better than President Bush. For one thing, didn't you see the surplus improvement towards the debt?

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(I am late in this topic because I could not decide but half of this topic is off topic anyway )
I would vote for Barack Obama because I like his energy plan. Obama will put more emphasis on green energy and jobs relating to green energy while Mccain will put more emphasis on nuclear power and jobs relating to nuclear power. Obama also seems to have a good plan on education reform and increasing min wage. Obama will try to reduce green house gas emissions by 80 percent.

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I know people who are in the top 10%, and I can definitely tell you, they're living a really nice life. And no, it doesn't take all that effort. These people didn't work their way from the bottom up, they were born into rich families so they could go to nice colleges and get great jobs. People don't deserve to be rich because their parents were rich, they should have to work their way from the bottom up instead of being born at the top and staying at the top. Besides, even if they're getting high taxes, they're still making a lot of money. It's not like millionaires are suddenly in the poorhouse because of taxes, they're still very, very rich. You're family is an exception, perhaps--most people generally don't have half-a-dozen children unless they know they can comfortably support them all.

My conclusion was backed up by two distinct arguments. Yours was made by twisting and using a generality. Your conclusion is, because of your own generality-hating stance, invalid. My bash on religious people was not ridiculous. It wasn't my main argument, I backed it up with statistics and I explained my reasons. So far, no one has explained their point on that issue with more detail then me. Certainly not you.
My conclusion: 'Congress and the other 'checks and balances' will stop a nuclear war, but they won't stop a great decline in US power. If McCain dies, Palin becomes president. She has very little financial, foreign, security or, really, any other qualifications. The US's image will really be screwed if she becomes president. Other countries will look at the US and its president, who can't hold her own against the media, who literally believes in the bible, who's 'just like us!' to the stupider portion of the US. Do you want Palin representing the US? '. Your conclusion:'I could infer that Obama is stupid, because the majority of Black people have a lower IQ than most.'. Yes, I'd say that I can completely ignore any conclusions you draw. You're getting worse and worse .
Agreed. I loved it when she said 'I'm not going to answer this question, but I'll reiterate why ... blah blah blah'. That was hilarious. I also loved the Senator Obiden bit. Hilarious. Biden made no such mistakes, and actually answered the questions. Sadly, most Americans won't see it that way.

Biden talked about both McCains and Obama's policies. I didn't really find any fault in what he said, though that alligator grin was unnerving. Palin came out and kept repeating 'Stand with American people.. against the government.. blah blah blah'. She kept repeating something along those lines to completely unrelated questions.
Yeah, I'm not communist enough to agree with this. They're earning that money along the rules of capitalism. I agree that they should be taxed more heavily since they are making ridiculous amounts of money and don't need it, but it's their money.
It just gets better and better. Irony galore.
I approve of McCain's nuclear energy plan. That's one thing I like from him, though his drilling plan is bull. Nuclear energy is much more powerful then 'green' sources of energy. Reduce GSG emissions by 80%? I call bull on that, too. He can't do it. America is either the first or second largest polluter (I think China's ahead now), but is by far the largest developed economy to not sign the Kyoto Protocol limiting GSG emissions to cold-war levels.

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Ahem...
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html

African-Americans voted for Kerry(a white liberal senator from Massachusetts) 9:1. Blacks turned away from the Republican party when it embraced racism.

Technically it was the Democrats that embraced racism/slavery. In the 19th century like around the Civil War era, the Union was Republican (hence Lincoln's affiliation as a republican) and the Confederates were Democratic. From Reconstruction up till like the 1960's or so, the south had always been Democratic. But as time has passed, I guess the ideologies of the two parties seemed to have gradually changed.

Technically it was the Southern Democrats.

More like 'switching names'. It is clear that Abraham Lincoln is a democrat in modern days. Remember, the Democratic-Republican party was formed to decimate the Federalist party. Once divided, they 'borrowed names' until it switched and became official.

Taxing the rich isn't communism, it's common sense. Who spends money on products every day? Normal people. Rich people don't spend their money to boost the economy, normal people do.

If they're going to make ridiculous amounts of money, without doing enough work to deserve it, and without reinvesting it all into the economy, then they deserve to be taxed. Case-in-point: CEOs making millions of dollars and getting massive bonuses even though their companies are failing. How is that capitalism? I've been told all my life that capitalism rewards the successful. Looks to me like if you're rich, it doesn't matter if you do a good job or not, you get to stay rich. If you're not rich and you don't do a good job, you get fired and struggle for some months trying to pay bills while you try to find a new job. Or, more usually, you just lose your job because the company can't afford to pay you anymore, even though it can afford to pay the CEO a couple millions of dollars a year to run a failing company.

But conveniently, there are no jobs to get. Rich people, being pretty smart, have moved production over to China and are moving more advanced sectors over to India. Damn, that's a bad hit. So even though you were doing a good job, working well and earning your money, you lost your job and you might not get another one for a while. Why should the rich be allowed to fail consistently without any detriment to their financial futures, while the people working under them are forced to lose their jobs for mistakes their employers made?

Saying that they don't do 40% of the work so they shouldn't get 40% of the money is communism.

One of the key features of capitalism is that you have to be the best to stay successful. See, since you desire better wages than those in India, you're not the best, and thus don't get a job. Socialism-Capitalism > Capitalism.

Actually, Clinton poured money into the ACORN project, which Obama supported before becoming a senator, and is planning on pouring money into now, and this caused a huge amount of the debt which the 700 billion dollar bill was intended to repay.

Source: http://iperceive.net/how-bill-clinton-acorn-barack-obama-fueled-the-mortgage-crisis/


Of course you tax them, but why can't you tax everyone at the same percentage? They have more money, so yes, they should have to pay more taxes, but it's just wrong that they have to pay a higher percentage.

Yeah, there's usually a reason why people are rich, they don't unnecessarily spend their money.


I admit that while I feel that it's a bit injust with CEOs, some people just manage to get there, it's capitalism, some get lucky, some don't, it's just life. Capitalism is getting what you earn, and sometimes to earn things you just have to get lucky.


Yeah, that was just a recent thing, as China was beginning to open up to jobs, I suspect it will stop in a few years. People in America still get jobs, as it's useful to have people on-site working.

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Whoa. Those exist? I thought 1000 was the biggest.

Actually, 100,000 is the biggest dollar bill. And obviously Falkoner's meaning was not the one you were pretending it was so you double fail. Make more useful comments.

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There's no 7 billion dollar law-type bill either. I don't understand .
China 'began' to open up for jobs more then a decade ago. It's not really going to stop anytime soon, because they'll need more and more jobs. While the government wants its workers to get more money, it also keeps getting more workers so the salaries won't increase drastically there. Same in India.

First of all, you know exactly what I'm talking about, second of all, it had already been edited:


Will they actually keep needing jobs? The rich population of China is decreasing by half each generation, if anything, there will be less jobs.

If there are less jobs they'll need more jobs and will work for less which would make it more and more attractive to other countries. Unless China passes laws to 'protect its citizens' and establishes a rather high minimum wage, the world will rely more and more on China. And India. Those 2.5 billion people are just too attractive.
Yep. However, when someone starts annoying me I try to do the same.

One thing that Obama offers America is a break from neoconservatism, which I think can only be a good thing. With the US in the middle of the transition from a superpower to a power, we need someone less used to the US being able to thump anyone who raises his head.

If you listened to Obama speak about his religion, he speaks about his faith and specifically jesus more than anyone else, and much more than John McCain. Just because he doesn't see how gays having civil unions would destroy the average person's marriage, doesn't make him any less of a godly man than McCain. Jesus actually said that THE BEST thing you could do is to look after the poor and homeless, something the democrats fundamentally do more than the republicans. Maybe Jesus said in your book of Mormon that the best thing you can do is have nine kids and crowd the Earth til every crevice is full, but the BIBLE says otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw&feature=related
Obama is a bit confused about religion.

That's seriously all you fucking have? A muslim jab? A meaningless muslim attack?

Lol, I didn't demean Muslims in any way. I just think it funny that you mention that when you mention Obama talking about his faith he mentions Jesus more than anyone else. So I linked a video of him saying he was Muslim by accident.

Perhaps more hilarious though is your previous statement in conjunction with something else you said