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[2017-3-27. : 2:30 am]  Excalibur -- If they get rid of MPQ SCMD breaks. If they don't get rid of MPQ is SCMD going to be able to render the terrain the correct way for HD for blendz purposes? This is what worries me. Cause SI is gone.[2017-3-27. : 2:30 am] zsnakezz -- i would say 1/10th should be worth 50$ and thats what i would put down for somebody to do it[2017-3-27. : 2:29 am] Zoan -- if that happens we should add 'or' statements to triggers and for loops and stuff[2017-3-27. : 2:29 am]  Pr0nogo -- i would be willing to pay up, i'm sure there are others as well, but this ain't something that's gonna be done quickly[2017-3-27. : 2:27 am] Broflamingo -- And SEN Taking the helm for this would just be huge influencer points in the remaster community.[2017-3-27. : 2:27 am] Pr0nogo -- yeah? who's gonna do that? we all have jobs and bills to pay, none of us can just dedicate hours of our free time to make an editor without compensation[2017-3-27. : 2:27 am] Broflamingo -- Im telling you SCMDRAFT is gonna be broken, its better to take the initiative now.[2017-3-27. : 2:26 am] zsnakezz -- just saying, somebody should helm the project of supporting an editor to be compatible with the remaster[2017-3-27. : 2:26 am] Pr0nogo -- without mpqs you can't even make folders like 'sound' in the directory and have the game read them like you had to before winmpq was created[2017-3-27. : 2:25 am]  Moose -- Gonna run "git init" in my SCBW folder so I can "git reset --hard" later if necessary LMAO[2017-3-27. : 2:25 am] Pr0nogo -- modding in particular will almost certainly have to be done in 1.16.1[2017-3-27. : 2:25 am] Pr0nogo -- we can have separate installations (just copy the sc folder and rename it to something else) but it would be a pretty big drag to not be able to properly preview the aesthetics of terrain[2017-3-27. : 2:25 am] zsnakezz -- DarkenedFantasiesDarkenedFantasies shouted: i'm pretty sure sc maps will be compatible with the new versions. if the 3rd party editors aren't, maybe we could keep a separate 1.16 installation just for the purpose of using scmdraft or something? or you know, modify existing editors[2017-3-27. : 2:24 am] DarkenedFantasies -- i'm pretty sure sc maps will be compatible with the new versions. if the 3rd party editors aren't, maybe we could keep a separate 1.16 installation just for the purpose of using scmdraft or something?[2017-3-27. : 2:24 am] Moose -- Still got my X-Tra, Emerald Aspect, and Black Wood v.II ready for the SCMDraft apocalypse O_O[2017-3-27. : 2:23 am] zsnakezz -- well, i think with combined knowledge on this site, perhaps an engine not making use of mpqs could potentially be devised[2017-3-27. : 2:23 am] Pr0nogo -- taking out EUDs is pretty shite, all the popular maps on fish will cease to work[2017-3-27. : 2:22 am] Pr0nogo -- i just hope i don't have to use fucking [/b]StarEdit[/b] in order to make my campaigns from now on[2017-3-27. : 2:22 am] zsnakezz -- like i said, if hyper triggers are a thing of the past, that is not a huge deal[2017-3-27. : 2:22 am] Moose -- Unless you really on features that aren't natively supported (ie. "extended .*") or things they're specifically fixing (sprite limit?), it seems like you'll be fine.[2017-3-27. : 2:22 am] Pr0nogo -- maps and replays from 1.16.1 will probably still work unless they used data exploits like EUDs and maybe hypertriggers[2017-3-27. : 2:21 am] Pr0nogo -- they probably aren't using mpqs anymore, so scmdraft probably won't work[2017-3-27. : 2:20 am] zsnakezz -- i just dont see all our maps being broken, that is the gist of what im saying[2017-3-27. : 2:20 am] Pr0nogo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Pr0nogo Just hearing "starter edition" makes me cringe. that's ok, just reading 'blizzard app' makes me cringe too, so i never even start sc2[2017-3-27. : 2:20 am] Pr0nogo -- mappers can include donation links and build their own websites and sign up for patreon but nothing allows players to pay for maps in the game itself[2017-3-27. : 2:19 am] Moose -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: in fact, the arcade itself is included in the freeware version of sc2 ('starter edition'), so you can access every public custom map in the game for free Just hearing "starter edition" makes me cringe.[2017-3-27. : 2:19 am] Pr0nogo -- 'my friend' is not a valid source to base your argument on, unfortunately for you[2017-3-27. : 2:19 am] Pr0nogo -- in fact, the arcade itself is included in the freeware version of sc2 ('starter edition'), so you can access every public custom map in the game for free[2017-3-27. : 2:18 am] zsnakezz -- my friend kept telling me to get into starcraft 2 because i could make actual money doing it[2017-3-27. : 2:18 am] Pr0nogo -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: no, custom maps sell for money on starcraft 2 they have not implemented this feature. have you even played sc2?[2017-3-27. : 2:17 am] Pr0nogo -- so once again our interests will probably not be represented; we will once again likely have to wait until programmers come out to furnish the community with mapping and modding tools a la SCMDraft, DatEdit, WinMPQ, etc[2017-3-27. : 2:17 am] Moose -- Good, because iCCup and Fish and others figured it out for free. As well as a ton of things that they're adding. It's nice to have native support for things external launchers were doing.[2017-3-27. : 2:17 am] Pr0nogo -- it sucks that the custom content scene isn't as vibrant as it used to be, the money is in the multiplayer and the esports, not in UMS[2017-3-27. : 2:16 am] Pr0nogo -- they're on record saying hacking needs to be corrected in a recent interview so that will probably be fixed esp. since they're shipping an anti cheat and matchmaking when SC:R comes out[2017-3-27. : 2:15 am] Moose -- Yeah, instead they can provide us with a platform that crashes whenever you click on a game in the list because some kid is mad about a channel ban.[2017-3-27. : 2:15 am] zsnakezz -- they probably can't ensure the safety and integrity of those servers[2017-3-27. : 2:14 am] zsnakezz -- i think they close those servers under legal obligations to not provide platforms that harm peoples computers[2017-3-27. : 2:14 am] Moose -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I guess if you count not actively working to stop servers like iCCup and Fish as support. But even that's probably just a matter of budgeting.[2017-3-27. : 2:12 am] Moose -- I guess if you count not actively working to stop servers like iCCup and Fish as support.[2017-3-27. : 2:12 am] Pr0nogo -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: my source is starcraft 2, they handled that game very well, and they know people want to compromise mostly nothing in the face of the facelift for sc1 what the fuck, can i sell some of what you're smoking so i can buy a mansion please?[2017-3-27. : 2:12 am] Moose -- Seven years without a patch. Flooders and script kiddies running amok on official servers. Great support.[2017-3-27. : 2:11 am] zsnakezz -- supported your mommas fat stacks, and your whack maps, and those are the factsd[2017-3-27. : 2:09 am] zsnakezz -- so from that perspective, of non modability for the most part, this is the one project they have always in the history of the earth supported[2017-3-27. : 2:09 am] zsnakezz -- im saying this is the only game blizzard has going currently that has a really heavy dedicated mapping program upon launch that is supported[2017-3-27. : 2:07 am] Moose -- Yeah, they care about custom maps all right. Like Python and Fighting Spirit.[2017-3-27. : 2:07 am] zsnakezz -- the custom map scene is valuable for starcraft, nobody on that team forgets that[2017-3-27. : 2:06 am] zsnakezz -- my source is starcraft 2, they handled that game very well, and they know people want to compromise mostly nothing in the face of the facelift for sc1 |
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