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[2017-7-13. : 2:57 pm]
Pr0nogo -- pretty sure they've been under that rock for 50+ years
[2017-7-13. : 2:51 pm]
Voyager7456 -- What I want though, is to make neo-Nazis and white supremacists crawl back under the rock from which they came. If CNN wants to help, I think that'd be a much better use of their airtime than giving Jeffrey Lord time to prattle on or w/e
[2017-7-13. : 2:47 pm]
Voyager7456 -- I think CNN has a lot of flaws as a news network, but it's better than others I could name. I also think what they did isn't intimidation, but if it were, I'd also have no problem with it in this case.
[2017-7-13. : 2:33 pm]
Pr0nogo -- right, so you don't want them to be a news network anymore? that we can agree on
[2017-7-13. : 2:28 pm]
Voyager7456 -- Voyager7456
Voyager7456 shouted: TBH, I'd have a lot more respect for CNN if they switched their programming over to exposing these pricks 24/7
[2017-7-13. : 1:42 pm]
poiuy_qwert -- FaRTy, I realized why dat editors treat the portdata as 3 long arrays instead of 2 sets of 3 arrays. units.dat seems to use id 220 to represent None for its portdata reference, instead of 110
[2017-7-13. : 1:27 pm]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- lil-Inferno
lil-Inferno shouted: Dem0n Is that even documented anywhere in the game? Cuz I didn't learn that until Moose told me like 6 months ago LMAO
"SPELLS/SPECIAL ABILITIES Corrosive Venom: The Devourer has an attack that can only effect air units. It will damage its target and splash all surrounding targets with a corrosive acid. Units that are affected will take longer to fire and will take more damage when attacked." from BroodUnits.doc
[2017-7-13. : 1:13 pm]
jjf28 -- Pr0nogo
Pr0nogo shouted: They cost 50 gas LMAO
50 gas and a muta, so 150 ;)
[2017-7-13. : 12:43 pm]
lil-Inferno -- Dem0n
Dem0n shouted: They weaken the enemy but they still succ tbh
Is that even documented anywhere in the game? Cuz I didn't learn that until Moose told me like 6 months ago LMAO
[2017-7-13. : 12:34 pm]
Pr0nogo -- They cost 50 gas LMAO
[2017-7-13. : 12:31 pm]
Dem0n -- They weaken the enemy but they still succ tbh
[2017-7-13. : 12:04 pm]
jjf28 -- I think you'd be better served spending your gas elsewhere
[2017-7-13. : 11:57 am]
jjf28 -- DarkenedFantasies
DarkenedFantasies shouted: thekian wat face. Devourers are terrifying anti-air (if you know how to use them, anyways).
are they tho? they have such slow attack rate and don't really have the speed to kite
[2017-7-13. : 11:31 am]
Oh_Man -- gday
[2017-7-13. : 10:28 am]
HaDriel -- helloworld !
[2017-7-13. : 5:49 am]
DarkenedFantasies -- thekian
thekian shouted: Yeah, honestly, it'd probably just be better to change the devourer into a non-pathetic AA unit...
wat face. Devourers are terrifying anti-air (if you know how to use them, anyways).
[2017-7-13. : 4:23 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Voyager7456
Voyager7456 shouted: Then you don't have to play with the BS I used in Inconsummate where I split a pointer into multiple smaller fields :awesome:
I love cramming ASM in to what used to be pointer arithmetic opcodes xD
[2017-7-13. : 4:22 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- worst case, GPTP plugins will just need a small fix
[2017-7-13. : 4:21 am]
O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- thekian
thekian shouted: Shame that DatExtender is probably incompatible with everything.
it shouldn't be. GPTP reads the same table to get offsets that DatExt writes to
[2017-7-13. : 3:49 am]
Pr0nogo -- Voyager7456
Voyager7456 shouted: Then you don't have to play with the BS I used in Inconsummate where I split a pointer into multiple smaller fields :awesome:
:cube:
[2017-7-13. : 3:22 am]
thekian -- Really, it's a shame that you can't use weapon flingy slots for units...
[2017-7-13. : 3:22 am]
Voyager7456 -- Then you don't have to play with the BS I used in Inconsummate where I split a pointer into multiple smaller fields :awesome:
[2017-7-13. : 3:22 am]
thekian -- I've never done any reverse-engineering on SC, so I guess I wouldn't know.
[2017-7-13. : 3:21 am]
Voyager7456 -- If you don't use acid spores you get all this delicious consecutive memory to play with in the unit layout struct :P
[2017-7-13. : 3:20 am]
thekian -- Yeah, honestly, it'd probably just be better to change the devourer into a non-pathetic AA unit...
[2017-7-13. : 3:20 am]
Voyager7456 -- And w/e hardcoded means very little given the amount of reverse engineering we've done at this point :P
[2017-7-13. : 3:19 am]
Voyager7456 -- You can repurpose them for whatever you want as long as you don't care about the corrosive acid effect.
[2017-7-13. : 3:19 am]
thekian -- So it's really more trolly than anything.
[2017-7-13. : 3:19 am]
thekian -- Which means that we'd need a plugin to free them up for use.
[2017-7-13. : 3:19 am]
thekian -- I'm pretty sure their use is hardcoded into the game
[2017-7-13. : 3:19 am]
thekian -- But Pr0nogo
[2017-7-13. : 3:18 am]
Pr0nogo -- you should be thankful, the more image entries there are the less we have to mess around with reverse-engineer hack shit LMAO
[2017-7-13. : 3:18 am]
thekian -- Shame that DatExtender is probably incompatible with everything.
[2017-7-13. : 3:18 am]
Voyager7456 -- As for the interceptor question, IDK. I haven't looked very closely at that.
[2017-7-13. : 3:18 am]
thekian -- Friggin' heck, Blizzard.
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
Voyager7456 -- Yes.
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
thekian -- Ah.
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
thekian -- Are they for the different number of stacks?
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
Voyager7456 -- There's different entries because the more acid spores a unit takes on, the more gunky the overlay gets.
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
thekian -- There are 12 separate entries, though.
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
Voyager7456 -- What? Yeah, they're used for Devourer acid spores.
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
Pr0nogo -- Voyager7456
Voyager7456 shouted: Pr0nogo The dev I spoke to seemed receptive. I don't really see the point in being so relentlessly pessimistic about it. Worst case scenario we're exactly where we are now.
ya, that is my position
[2017-7-13. : 3:17 am]
thekian -- Are the acid spore overlay image entries actually even used?
[2017-7-13. : 3:16 am]
Voyager7456 -- IIRC there already hacks for 1.18 so clearly it's not impervious.
[2017-7-13. : 3:16 am]
thekian -- Why are there four entries per unit size for acid spores?! Seriously!
[2017-7-13. : 3:16 am]
Voyager7456 -- Pr0nogo
Pr0nogo shouted: hopefully blizz changes their tune when it comes to remastered but there's no guarantee, it'll be more like a nice surprise
The dev I spoke to seemed receptive. I don't really see the point in being so relentlessly pessimistic about it. Worst case scenario we're exactly where we are now.
[2017-7-13. : 3:15 am]
Pr0nogo -- i know nothing about the anticheat, i don't play on 1.18 if i can help it
[2017-7-13. : 3:15 am]
Pr0nogo -- since remastered will be on the blizzard desktop app it will contain always-online DRM
[2017-7-13. : 3:15 am]
thekian -- bloody shoutbox lag.
[2017-7-13. : 3:15 am]
thekian -- Am I right there, Pr0? Also,
[2017-7-13. : 3:14 am]
thekian -- And the new anticheat in 1.18, as I understand, also sends information on altered game files to Blizzard.
[2017-7-13. : 3:14 am]
Pr0nogo -- hopefully blizz changes their tune when it comes to remastered but there's no guarantee, it'll be more like a nice surprise
[2017-7-13. : 3:14 am]
Voyager7456 -- Yeah OK but who cares about SC2 lmao
[2017-7-13. : 3:14 am]
Pr0nogo -- modding SC2 is bannable/against SC2 TOS (which are actively enforced by a warden that checks your hash)
[2017-7-13. : 3:14 am]
thekian -- Anyone who's modded SC2 gets banned, basically.
[2017-7-13. : 3:14 am]
Voyager7456 -- I'm not aware of any person who's been banned for using SC mods.
[2017-7-13. : 3:14 am]
thekian -- thekian
thekian shouted: By the way, Voy, do you know if it's possible to use plugin magic to create carriers with multiple interceptor types?
Anyway, I want to see about giving the Terrans a carrier that can make anti-air interceptors and bomber type interceptors.
[2017-7-13. : 3:13 am]
thekian -- Voyager7456
Voyager7456 shouted: There are people at Blizzard that understand modding. Although I'm not sure from that article that the person being interviewed does.
Yeah, but the people in charge look at modding and say "Banhammer".
[2017-7-13. : 3:13 am]
thekian -- By the way, Voy, do you know if it's possible to use plugin magic to create carriers with multiple interceptor types?
[2017-7-13. : 3:13 am]
Voyager7456 -- There are people at Blizzard that understand modding. Although I'm not sure from that article that the person being interviewed does.
[2017-7-13. : 3:12 am]
thekian -- Voyager7456
Voyager7456 shouted: thekian thekian Actually we don't know anything about Remastered. But those things are true for 1.18.
I assume that Remastered will probably ship with 1.18.
[2017-7-13. : 3:11 am]
Voyager7456 -- thekian
thekian shouted: Starcraft: Remastered breaks FireGraft, and most likely any NEW exe editing tools that we'll create because of its new antihack nonsense.
thekian
thekian shouted: FireGraft is broken because it needs storm.dll, and Remastered doesn't use it anymore, as I understand.
Actually we don't know anything about Remastered. But those things are true for 1.18.
[2017-7-13. : 3:10 am]
thekian -- Also, yo, thanks for uploading those GRPs. Very welcome addition to the DLDB.
[2017-7-13. : 3:09 am]
thekian -- FireGraft is broken because it needs storm.dll, and Remastered doesn't use it anymore, as I understand.
[2017-7-13. : 3:09 am]
thekian -- Starcraft: Remastered breaks FireGraft, and most likely any NEW exe editing tools that we'll create because of its new antihack nonsense.
[2017-7-13. : 3:08 am]
thekian -- Again, Blizzard thinks that modding is changing unit stats in StarEdit.
[2017-7-13. : 3:01 am]
Black_Overseer -- BS: Yeah, and we're actually doing a couple of things with the editor to make it a little easier.
[2017-7-13. : 3:01 am]
Black_Overseer -- GS: Are modding and map creator support going to be pretty much the same as before?

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