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[2018-3-25. : 6:07 am] thekian -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: lil-Inferno given that the US spends almost as much on its military as the rest of the world combined, that seems unlikely TBH the United States pretty much carries for its trash team in NATO.[2018-3-25. : 1:46 am]  jjf28 -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: https://i.imgur.com/lvYI8Qg.png what a disaster Anon is a MESS[2018-3-24. : 11:04 pm]  Pr0nogo -- laise fiare capitalism/free market has problems that need to be solved, i just don't trust big government to ever do that completely/honestly/without greasing their own pockets[2018-3-24. : 9:45 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Lets get rid of OSHA, I'm sure the free market will manage, I mean who wouldn't just quit there job when it appears to be a bit unsafe  [2018-3-24. : 8:18 pm] Voyager7456 -- thekianthekian shouted: It probably doesn't make much sense to most people here who live in other countries, since the United States has a fairly unique implementation of government (federal republic) across 50 states. thekianthekian shouted: The purpose of that was, in part, to prevent the government from becoming as incredibly bloated as it is now. Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: and should be done with local populaces directly involved through volunteers Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Suicidal Insanity should be done by the local gov, not the federal gov Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: defense is the gov's only job imo thekianthekian shouted: jjf28 The tenth amendment to the United States Consitution makes it quite clear that basically EVERYTHING is the purview of local (i.e. state or lower level) governments. also, just LOL[2018-3-24. : 8:16 pm] Voyager7456 -- but if we've secretly been fighting aliens or some shit and the money is actually going to the XCOM project then I totally withdraw my complaint about military spending[2018-3-24. : 8:16 pm] Voyager7456 -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Voyager7456 what if the huge budget is actually warranted and we just don't hear about all the foiled plots and w/e o____o given that the US spends almost as much on its military as the rest of the world combined, that seems unlikely[2018-3-24. : 4:43 pm]  Moose -- Another classic is when "smaller government" really means "by replacing it with our board of directors" LMAO[2018-3-24. : 4:39 pm] Moose -- Yeah, it was about shitty arguments in general than you. I can't say I'm well informed enough about what actually goes on in terms of a lot of these regulations.[2018-3-24. : 4:39 pm] jjf28 -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I agree, I wasn't arguing to eliminate it, but (perhaps due to my relative ignorance of the consumer protection agencies we have), I question whether its function is not already appropriately handled by law enforcement agencies (or would be handled, if said agencies were following their mandate to enforce the law) following their mandate and had the appropriate resources*[2018-3-24. : 4:37 pm] jjf28 -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I guess it's just that sometimes people or groups argue for dismantling agencies or regulations because they don't agree with them or as if they were created solely for regulation's sake and I don't find those arguments intellectually honest. I agree, I wasn't arguing to eliminate it, but (perhaps due to my relative ignorance of the consumer protection agencies we have), I question whether its function is not already appropriately handled by law enforcement agencies (or would be handled, if said agencies were following their mandate to enforce the law)[2018-3-24. : 4:36 pm] Moose -- And if your argument is that oh they won't do that anymore and the free market will make consumers choose other companies that have stricter internal controls, nice meme.[2018-3-24. : 4:34 pm] Moose -- Like if you think environmental regulations are too much and the EPA is overfunded and too powerful, maybe businesses shouldn't have polluted and poisoned the environment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[2018-3-24. : 4:33 pm] Moose -- I guess it's just that sometimes people or groups argue for dismantling agencies or regulations because they don't agree with them or as if they were created solely for regulation's sake and I don't find those arguments intellectually honest.[2018-3-24. : 4:31 pm] Moose -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: education and transit (or I should say roads, specifically) pay for themselves in increased tax revenue, police and fire are organized on a local level, environmental protection is a good long-term investment, consumer protection is a bit harder to argue, it's a short-term QoL boost mostly, discouraging fraud certainly has the potential to reduce waste in the system, though I wonder whether we need a separate agency for it I think it's fair to review historically, what sort of ways did people get fucked over that it necessitated the creation of such environmental/consumer/whatever protections, as well as are these threats still relevant and are these protections still implemented efficiently and effectively? I don't think it's changed that business in general will do what's expedient and fuck people over for a few dollars if they can get away with it.[2018-3-24. : 4:27 pm] jjf28 -- I couldn't care less tbh (about the strict interpretation of the 10th amendment, not government bloat which is a real concern), what concerns me is how efficient it is/how much sense it makes to do something at a given level of government[2018-3-24. : 4:26 pm] thekian -- It probably doesn't make much sense to most people here who live in other countries, since the United States has a fairly unique implementation of government (federal republic) across 50 states.[2018-3-24. : 4:24 pm] thekian -- The purpose of that was, in part, to prevent the government from becoming as incredibly bloated as it is now.[2018-3-24. : 4:23 pm] thekian -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Pr0nogo he mentioned a ton of things, is this a blanket statement? The tenth amendment to the United States Consitution makes it quite clear that basically EVERYTHING is the purview of local (i.e. state or lower level) governments.[2018-3-24. : 3:13 pm] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: and should be done with local populaces directly involved through volunteers I'm not sure if I want roads, which includes bridges and planning to leave to volunteers... What are the volunteers supposed to do when Chem AG pollutes the waters? Same with consumer protection[2018-3-24. : 1:35 pm] lil-Inferno -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: So stuff like schools, roads, police, firefighters, consumer protection, environmental protection, none of that should be done? IDK, teachers get paid like $10/year and often pay out of poccet for supplies so schools may as well not be done C|X^ D[2018-3-24. : 1:33 pm] lil-Inferno -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: ya, massively bloated US military budget is for "defense" lmao what if the huge budget is actually warranted and we just don't hear about all the foiled plots and w/e o____o[2018-3-24. : 12:41 pm] jjf28 -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Suicidal Insanity should be done by the local gov, not the federal gov he mentioned a ton of things, is this a blanket statement?[2018-3-24. : 12:41 pm] Pr0nogo -- and should be done with local populaces directly involved through volunteers[2018-3-24. : 12:40 pm] Pr0nogo -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: So stuff like schools, roads, police, firefighters, consumer protection, environmental protection, none of that should be done? should be done by the local gov, not the federal gov[2018-3-24. : 11:53 am] jjf28 -- I wouldn't be unhappy if agencies had to formally justify their existence in accordance to direct economic benefits or achieving their stated purpose every couple years [2018-3-24. : 11:51 am] jjf28 -- education and transit (or I should say roads, specifically) pay for themselves in increased tax revenue, police and fire are organized on a local level, environmental protection is a good long-term investment, consumer protection is a bit harder to argue, it's a short-term QoL boost mostly, discouraging fraud certainly has the potential to reduce waste in the system, though I wonder whether we need a separate agency for it[2018-3-24. : 10:51 am] Suicidal Insanity -- So stuff like schools, roads, police, firefighters, consumer protection, environmental protection, none of that should be done?[2018-3-24. : 5:00 am] thekian -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: #EveryGunThatIsMadeEveryWarshipLaunchedEveryRocketFiredSignifiesInTheFinalSenseATheftFromThoseWhoHungerAndAreNotFed #DefenseIsActuallyTheGovernment'sJob[2018-3-24. : 4:09 am] Voyager7456 -- #EveryGunThatIsMadeEveryWarshipLaunchedEveryRocketFiredSignifiesInTheFinalSenseATheftFromThoseWhoHungerAndAreNotFed[2018-3-24. : 1:10 am] Voyager7456 -- but srsly we send money to foreign militaries and then typically they buy weapons from American manufacturers so[2018-3-24. : 1:09 am] Moose -- thekianthekian shouted: As in, the new budget sends money to VIETNAM's military. Ya, they can buy Raytheon products and then fight a war against other people armed with Raytheon products LMAO[2018-3-24. : 1:08 am] Voyager7456 -- ya we gotta watch out, Charlie could be making a resurgence o___________o[2018-3-24. : 1:07 am] thekian -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: thekian Well yeah, Raytheon gotta get paiiiiiid son FOREIGN militaries.[2018-3-24. : 12:21 am] Voyager7456 -- thekianthekian shouted: Voyager7456 Can't fund NASA, but CAN fund foreign militaries. Well yeah, Raytheon gotta get paiiiiiid son[2018-3-24. : 12:18 am] thekian -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: ya, we've been using janky-ass Russian rockets forever because we don't fund NASA Can't fund NASA, but CAN fund foreign militaries.[2018-3-24. : 12:08 am] Moose -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: ya thought you were shitty memeing for a sec NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 not a shitty memer, sry  [2018-3-23. : 11:35 pm] Moose -- I wonder if I can quote my shout before I make it. >< Or if I can future-quote O_O[2018-3-23. : 11:33 pm] lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Dem0n irate KrayZee more irate Dem0n most irate Voyager7456 heated, but not incorrect Dem0n irate and most irate lmao[2018-3-23. : 10:15 pm] Excalibur -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Dem0n irate KrayZee more irate Dem0n most irate Voyager7456 heated, but not incorrect mad[2018-3-23. : 9:57 pm] Moose -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: What the fuck are you talking about irate KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: What the fuck are you reading about? more irate Dem0nDem0n shouted: What the fuck are you talking about most irate Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: ya, we've been using janky-ass Russian rockets forever because we don't fund NASA heated, but not incorrect |
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