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[2018-6-04. : 7:53 pm]  Moose -- But can you judge the philosophies of a movement based on the actions of people who identify as part of the movement?[2018-6-04. : 7:52 pm]  KrayZee -- You can't label feminists sexist towards men. You can't label antifa lawless insane people. You also can't label BLM as terrorists.[2018-6-04. : 7:52 pm] Moose -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: I brought it up since feminism and antifa are also just movements. Movements promoting different values/goals/implementations of those goals depending on which group members you ask, TBH[2018-6-04. : 7:50 pm]  Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: I brought it up since feminism and antifa are also just movements. great, you found the third toy that goes in the box, how about we go back to this though KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: I'm being straightforward with words. I don't form an opinion on a word and believe what it is and so it lose its actual meaning. [2018-6-04. : 7:50 pm] Vrael -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: how am i suppowee to respond to someone bringing up BLM instead of replying the topic at hand? i asked for relevance because i wanted to know kz's response to the topic, not on BLM just ignore me I'm not helpful[2018-6-04. : 7:49 pm] Pr0nogo -- how am i suppowee to respond to someone bringing up BLM instead of replying the topic at hand? i asked for relevance because i wanted to know kz's response to the topic, not on BLM[2018-6-04. : 7:49 pm] Vrael -- I mean not that I'm doing any better, just picking arbitrary points from the conversation and listing my beef with them[2018-6-04. : 7:49 pm] KrayZee -- People who oppose such groups and defining them in the wrong context is the problem.[2018-6-04. : 7:48 pm] Vrael -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I don't think Pr0nogo has ever cared about whether or not BLM is a legal entity that can be sued or brought to court, you kind of just brought up BLM for some reason and started going on about strawmen people who aren't here LMAO to be fair pr0n is doing nothing but exacerbating the situation by droning on about relevance instead of proceeding in good faith and articulating his own views[2018-6-04. : 7:48 pm] Pr0nogo -- there's nothing in what you're saying to agree or disagree with because you aren't even sticking with the same points lmao[2018-6-04. : 7:46 pm] KrayZee -- The Black Lives Matter movement cannot be sued, a federal judge ruled Thursday, dismissing a case against the group and an activist brought by a police officer injured during protests after the July 2016 fatal shooting of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Black Lives Matter is not an entity, but a social movement, Louisiana Middle District Judge Brian A. Jackson wrote. "Therefore, all claims against 'Black Lives Matter' must be dismissed because social movements lack the capacity to be sued."[2018-6-04. : 7:46 pm] Moose -- I don't think Pr0nogo has ever cared about whether or not BLM is a legal entity that can be sued or brought to court, you kind of just brought up BLM for some reason and started going on about strawmen people who aren't here LMAO[2018-6-04. : 7:46 pm] Pr0nogo -- can you quote where i made up a definition that doesn't coincide with yours?[2018-6-04. : 7:45 pm] Vrael -- I guess pr0n wants legal relevance not legal possibility, krayZ wants possibility[2018-6-04. : 7:44 pm] KrayZee -- You created your own definition of what antifa and feminism is for your own perspective, BLM is an example how different people portray a group people and how they represent it.[2018-6-04. : 7:44 pm] Vrael -- could we present an explanation of how it's legally possible instead? I feel like that would be better than an explanation of how its physically possible because I imagine that's just a lot of mailing forms and walking papers around[2018-6-04. : 7:43 pm] Pr0nogo -- i'm gonna go for a walk and when i come back i expect a logical explanation for this[2018-6-04. : 7:42 pm] Vrael -- like it recently beat out whitehouse.gov for a spot on the top 100 list[2018-6-04. : 7:41 pm] Vrael -- SEN spambox is probably one of the most rational places on the internet[2018-6-04. : 7:41 pm] Pr0nogo -- though last time i asked for it the explanation was KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: Pr0nogo No, I did not. [2018-6-04. : 7:40 pm] KrayZee -- Oh it's so relevant, you just don't want to see how relevant it is.[2018-6-04. : 7:40 pm] Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: So in the context of BLM, how is it even physically possible to press charges and sue a group of people that couldn't even happen to begin with? why are you bringing up an example of something that has very little relevance to anything i've said[2018-6-04. : 7:39 pm] Vrael -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Pr0nogo Well, no, they weren't really members, no true Black Lives Matter member ... ! and you can eat a dick[2018-6-04. : 7:39 pm] KrayZee -- So in the context of BLM, how is it even physically possible to press charges and sue a group of people that couldn't even happen to begin with?[2018-6-04. : 7:39 pm] Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: Pr0nogo So you prefer to interpret certain words in a specific way that wouldn't make sense in actual context. There's an article mentioning someone wanted to sue BLM and go to court. However, you cannot. Since it's not an organization at all. i don't prefer to interpret words in any way other than what i assume to be the author's intent, in this case i still don't know what yours is and i've spent at least an hour reading your messages and replying to them[2018-6-04. : 7:38 pm] Moose -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: members of black lives matter have terrorized white people, just like members of gamergate (which is far less organized than blm in the examples i've seen, feel free to cite sources that disprove this) were abusive to women online Well, no, they weren't really members, no true Black Lives Matter member ... ![2018-6-04. : 7:38 pm] Vrael -- or you know, make some argument that their charter is a thin veil over a mission of white-terrorization or whatever[2018-6-04. : 7:38 pm] KrayZee -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: but we all have a personal dictionary we use to add meaning to what we say, and our dictionaries never match up 1:1 with others, which is why sentences like 'you misunderstood me' exist So you prefer to interpret certain words in a specific way that wouldn't make sense in actual context. There's an article mentioning someone wanted to sue BLM and go to court. However, you cannot. Since it's not an organization at all.[2018-6-04. : 7:37 pm] Pr0nogo -- members of black lives matter have terrorized white people, just like members of gamergate (which is far less organized than blm in the examples i've seen, feel free to cite sources that disprove this) were abusive to women online[2018-6-04. : 7:37 pm] Vrael -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: Black Lives Matter, for example, is just an activist movement. You can't label that as an organization that terrorizes white people. sure you can, though if you wanted to be thorough and truthful about it you'd have to show a series of examples of the group actually terrorizing white people[2018-6-04. : 7:36 pm] KrayZee -- Black Lives Matter, for example, is just an activist movement. You can't label that as an organization that terrorizes white people.[2018-6-04. : 7:36 pm] Pr0nogo -- KrayZeeKrayZee shouted: I'm being straightforward with words. I don't form an opinion on a word and believe what it is and so it lose its actual meaning. yeah but as demonstrated below we aren't operating with the same definitions, especially when you don't actually articulate them[2018-6-04. : 7:35 pm] Pr0nogo -- but we all have a personal dictionary we use to add meaning to what we say, and our dictionaries never match up 1:1 with others, which is why sentences like 'you misunderstood me' exist[2018-6-04. : 7:35 pm] KrayZee -- I'm being straightforward with words. I don't form an opinion on a word and believe what it is and so it lose its actual meaning.[2018-6-04. : 7:34 pm] Pr0nogo -- since it's reflexive in most cases (barring social issues or w/e) most of the time you don't think about it[2018-6-04. : 7:34 pm] Pr0nogo -- we as humans go through three or four different layers of abstraction just to communicate a simple sentence[2018-6-04. : 7:33 pm] Pr0nogo -- just to translate the thoughts i'm writing now into words, i have to take a thought, articulate it in a way that makes sense to me, then tweak it enough so i feel it makes enough sense to you[2018-6-04. : 7:33 pm] Pr0nogo -- what vrael's getting at is that we all have different lexicons which may or may not match up with the more scholarly and ambiguous definitions found in the dictionary[2018-6-04. : 7:32 pm] KrayZee -- And yet if we're speaking English, feminazi is nothing more than derogatory. A word used to label and insult.[2018-6-04. : 7:32 pm] Vrael -- plus yeah feminazi is an invented term meant to disparage a group of people[2018-6-04. : 7:31 pm] Vrael -- well, I do love me some feminazi memes but I would also agree that they tend to be caricatures or cherry-picked examples of more serious issues that deserve more dignified attention[2018-6-04. : 7:30 pm] KrayZee -- Also, invented words like "feminazi" is blatantly stupid because it's an oxymoron created by sexist people.[2018-6-04. : 7:30 pm] Vrael -- yeah I get you, I'm not trying to tell you to not be specific or not maximize your disambiguation, but I did want to point out that if you try and force your definition of a controversial term down someone's throat it's not going to work out well AND they will have a pretty relevant context for disagreeing with you[2018-6-04. : 7:29 pm] KrayZee -- Controversial or not, people love to mislead others. Keep that in mind.[2018-6-04. : 7:29 pm] Vrael -- like one of my favorite memes - the Right to Bear Arms, where every american has the right to own the arms of bears |
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