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[2018-9-09. : 6:11 pm]  Suicidal Insanity -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Suicidal Insanity You do in Civ, but it's usually disadvantageous to use and doesn't translate as well to RTS adaptations. (I guess you could have an area where all players can agree to advance the turn) in CIV you move all your units, update your cities, and then hit it[2018-9-09. : 3:11 pm]  Moose -- Boutta do some Angry UMS Map Nerd or Sequelitis shit to teach y'all, but probs not worth and Pr0nogo probs have it covered LMAO[2018-9-09. : 3:06 pm] Moose -- Like okay, maybe you happen to start next to an easier Wraith-only planet or scout enough to find one (which you may or may not do after seeing strong ones since you may or may not know such planets exist), but overall the map does very little to teach its players and punishes hard for not knowing.[2018-9-09. : 3:04 pm] Moose -- The one real shot I had was vs some Mutalisks, after supplementing my dead wraiths with some scouts (which weren't as good as I thought due to no shields, which I didn't know about before buying) ... I got a couple of them low and they just got defense matrixed (a thing my own Vessel couldn't even do, due to no energy, another a thing I didn't know about before buying)[2018-9-09. : 3:01 pm] Moose -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Not sure why everyone was throwing all their shit at the nearest planet lmao The 1% meme was adjacent to me, so that side was just blocced off. Even Wraiths would've been a mess LMAO[2018-9-09. : 3:01 pm] Moose -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: Mini Moose 2707 Don't you have an end of turn button? You do in Civ, but it's usually disadvantageous to use and doesn't translate as well to RTS adaptations. (I guess you could have an area where all players can agree to advance the turn)[2018-9-09. : 2:55 pm]  Voyager7456 -- Not sure why everyone was throwing all their shit at the nearest planet lmao[2018-9-09. : 2:55 pm] Voyager7456 -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Tassaar930 mm, computers had many upgrades above us and the only planet I could initially see was guarded by a valk and two hero BCs which my reg bc and wraiths could do nothing to - eventually worked around an asteroid field/a terrifying pack of scouts where I could outrange some rhines with my BC tbh I just went around those and picked off the planets guarded by only a few wraiths[2018-9-09. : 2:29 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: jjf28 lil-Inferno There is no reason for the early turns to be the full two minutes. What I would do for that kind of map (and my civ map that I probs won't make) is start the turns off at say, 30 seconds each, then increase the turn timer by a second each turn until it reaches whatever the max is. Don't you have an end of turn button?[2018-9-09. : 2:00 pm] lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Boutta make my Civ map to show y'all how it's done O_O now you have to wait 5 hours tho o_o[2018-9-09. : 2:00 pm] lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: jjf28 lil-Inferno There is no reason for the early turns to be the full two minutes. What I would do for that kind of map (and my civ map that I probs won't make) is start the turns off at say, 30 seconds each, then increase the turn timer by a second each turn until it reaches whatever the max is. ya, that'd make more sense, because as time goes on presumably your income would go up in unison with the timer[2018-9-09. : 1:47 pm] Moose -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: I like having to balance teching, econ, and units, but you need to be able to somehow do something at the open besides wait lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: because once you've lost all your initial stuff, good lucc, you gotta wait like 10 minutes to recuperate There is no reason for the early turns to be the full two minutes. What I would do for that kind of map (and my civ map that I probs won't make) is start the turns off at say, 30 seconds each, then increase the turn timer by a second each turn until it reaches whatever the max is.[2018-9-09. : 1:45 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Why even force teching up once if all it's gonna do is slow down the map? Just start us off with that tech Yup. In general, if you're always going to do a thing that doesn't require variation or strategy, you may as well start the game with it already done for the players unless there's a good reason not to. Okay, maybe teching up demonstrates the feature and its importance. So make the first tech super cheap and give hints to buy it.[2018-9-09. : 1:42 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Tassaar930 Yeah, I started out without the ability to even buy ships, wtf There was something about it in the briefing, and that's not even a bad thing, The issue is your only hope of playing the map somewhat properly on the first go is information overlord in the briefing, which reeks of bad design.[2018-9-09. : 1:40 pm] Moose -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: guessing one of the tech ups unlocks vessel abilities Probably, but with no way in advance of knowing what any level of tech is, w/e. Same for Scouts and shields.[2018-9-09. : 1:37 pm] lil-Inferno -- because once you've lost all your initial stuff, good lucc, you gotta wait like 10 minutes to recuperate[2018-9-09. : 1:36 pm] lil-Inferno -- yeah you'll never make that mistake again, but an average player is simply never going to play the map again because of it[2018-9-09. : 1:36 pm] lil-Inferno -- also it's too easy to suicide all your shit into enemies with 5/5 upgrades, or go into dark swarm and everything goes to 1% hp, or go into roccs and everything just dies[2018-9-09. : 1:35 pm] lil-Inferno -- Yeah, I'm not saying having tech and w/e is a bad thing, but also you have no idea what the next level of tech will bring you and why it'd benefit you to research it[2018-9-09. : 1:27 pm] jjf28 -- I like having to balance teching, econ, and units, but you need to be able to somehow do something at the open besides wait[2018-9-09. : 1:02 pm] lil-Inferno -- no wonder people raged, and it wasn't explained that that's why you can't buy ships[2018-9-09. : 1:02 pm] lil-Inferno -- Why even force teching up once if all it's gonna do is slow down the map? Just start us off with that tech[2018-9-09. : 1:02 pm] lil-Inferno -- Tassaar930Tassaar930 shouted: it was better though, because everything was already researched Yeah, I started out without the ability to even buy ships, wtf[2018-9-09. : 11:49 am] jjf28 -- also the planets don't really give a report when you claim them - eventually you can see them on the leaderboard - but there should really be some immediate report that you claimed them[2018-9-09. : 11:46 am] jjf28 -- Tassaar930Tassaar930 shouted: like I said, it definitely suffers from certain kinds of pacing problems mm, computers had many upgrades above us and the only planet I could initially see was guarded by a valk and two hero BCs which my reg bc and wraiths could do nothing to - eventually worked around an asteroid field/a terrifying pack of scouts where I could outrange some rhines with my BC[2018-9-09. : 11:41 am] jjf28 -- Tassaar930Tassaar930 shouted: yeah walking into an asteroid field sets (all?) ships' HP to 1% or w/e just killed me when I touched a rock[2018-9-09. : 11:40 am] jjf28 -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: lol, got tech and spent 750 on a vessel with no abilities ya, vessels are good scouts tho[2018-9-09. : 4:21 am] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno governor of the first state about to reinstate net neutrality: California They're not first, Washington already did it[2018-9-09. : 1:21 am] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: who governor of the first state about to reinstate net neutrality: California[2018-9-09. : 12:54 am] Tassaar930 -- I don't think you'll like the map much better once you reach the ability to make proper fleets either[2018-9-09. : 12:53 am] Tassaar930 -- like I said, it definitely suffers from certain kinds of pacing problems[2018-9-09. : 12:53 am] Moose -- Bought second level of tech. I get chat and the ability to give money to other players. But no improvements to units or expansion of things I can purchase. What a mess.[2018-9-09. : 12:47 am] Moose -- Pubs are practically born diplo players compared to how they'd fare in this map lmao[2018-9-09. : 12:43 am] Tassaar930 -- I forget if nebulas (dark swarm) set shields to 0 or to 100 in that[2018-9-09. : 12:43 am] Moose -- Oh, and the scouts I buy have no shields for seemingly no reason, similar to the 1% HP area[2018-9-09. : 12:41 am] Tassaar930 -- yeah walking into an asteroid field sets (all?) ships' HP to 1% or w/e[2018-9-09. : 12:40 am] Tassaar930 -- it was better though, because everything was already researched[2018-9-09. : 12:39 am] Moose -- I didn't really play the original, but if it was like this it hasn't aged well lmao[2018-9-09. : 12:39 am] Tassaar930 -- first version was less bad in this regard because it was simpler (ie less things can go wrong)[2018-9-09. : 12:38 am] Tassaar930 -- you will also find a problem probably, that battles are over too quickly because ship HP is too low[2018-9-09. : 12:38 am] Moose -- TBH should just adjust the time per turn to be faster for early turns[2018-9-09. : 12:35 am] Moose -- Yeah, I hate to say it but in its current state, the problem with pubs and this map is not the pubs LMAO[2018-9-09. : 12:34 am] Tassaar930 -- I actually made another vers, building off of an earlier draft of the map[2018-9-09. : 12:33 am] Moose -- There still is, the others talking about how it doesn't really cost that much LMAO[2018-9-09. : 12:32 am] Tassaar930 -- there was also a bug, in the old version, where the min field that showed tech cost bugged and displayed incorrect costs whenever someone used it[2018-9-09. : 12:32 am] Moose -- The objectives that are there don't really tell me much I didn't know by clicking on the things I can buy anyway[2018-9-09. : 12:31 am] Tassaar930 -- the worst part is waiting like 10 mins before you can chat, and another 10 mins before you can take more than like 3 planets[2018-9-09. : 12:31 am] Moose -- There's no real in game help other than objectives, but this ain't the kinda game you can explain in six lines of text[2018-9-09. : 12:30 am] Tassaar930 -- I think the irony is that his earlier version of the map was more intuitive[2018-9-09. : 12:29 am] Moose -- We didn't sit and read the entire briefing, you can't chat because it's blocked for anyone who doesn't know to use chat history, and I touched some shit that set my units to 1% HP for seemingly no reason[2018-9-09. : 12:28 am] Tassaar930 -- I think, that personally speaking, the map historically suffered from problems primarily with pacing and balance/micro |
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