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[2016-10-14. : 2:25 pm]  NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: Now that I'm thinking about it, perhaps you meant that hardware manufacturers are incentivized to have their hardware work on older operating systems: the more compatible their hardware is with machines in use is indeed a good thing for adoption. However, full support is ultimately going to depend on the operating system being able to leverage the hardware. Now we're back to the reason of why some products drop support on older operating systems: if the operating system won't fully leverage the hardware, developing the software product for it requires some form of compromise, whether it's maintaining a separate codebase (increasing development and testing costs), or having a single "core" codebase that prioritizes compatibility over optimal utilization of hardware. btw. Corbo and I were talking about Software running on the OS. I'm still not convinced that Windows is so different that your software needs to decide which OS it will be able to run.[2016-10-14. : 2:21 pm] NudeRaider -- now when the new OS appears, it's MS's turn to make sure their OS supports the current hardware. simple.[2016-10-14. : 2:20 pm] NudeRaider -- simple: I'm making something new, I better see that it can be used by everything thats already there. This counts for BOTH OS and hardware. The line has to be drawn somewhere obviously; nobody expects you to make a USB C port that is recognized by DOS. But how about you make sure it gets supported by the OS that has by far the highest market share. That IS you responsibility if you make something new. AND IT IS DONE. MS just arbitrarily decides to cut off compatibitly from the OS side, when the grace period ends.[2016-10-14. : 1:16 pm] Roy -- Now that I'm thinking about it, perhaps you meant that hardware manufacturers are incentivized to have their hardware work on older operating systems: the more compatible their hardware is with machines in use is indeed a good thing for adoption. However, full support is ultimately going to depend on the operating system being able to leverage the hardware. Now we're back to the reason of why some products drop support on older operating systems: if the operating system won't fully leverage the hardware, developing the software product for it requires some form of compromise, whether it's maintaining a separate codebase (increasing development and testing costs), or having a single "core" codebase that prioritizes compatibility over optimal utilization of hardware.[2016-10-14. : 1:00 pm] Roy -- I don't know where you got the notion that new hardware has to conform to legacy software.[2016-10-14. : 12:56 pm] Roy -- "but they literally cannot introduce something new that the OS doesn't know how to interpret [and be blamed for it]"*[2016-10-14. : 12:54 pm] Roy -- The sole job of the operating system is to utilize hardware; if Windows 7 is no longer being updated, then you cannot expect it to fully support new hardware technologies; the best you can hope for is that it has partial support through backward compatibility.[2016-10-14. : 12:53 pm] Roy -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy that's actually the burden of the hardware manufacturers. They'd have to make sure that their new features are compatible with the expectations of Legacy OSes. This is supported by MS's announcement that they will (fully) support Skylakes on Windows 7 only for a grace period. So why would Microsoft care about that? Not a technical reason, but a strategic one: If they force Windows 10 on newer hardware they give system sellers - who would likely want to stay on Windows 7 or 8 as long as possible - two options: Stay on a legacy OS but can't offer new hardware or upgrade both. Many will choose the latter, even though the would like to stay on the older OS, because the new hardware capapilities are desired. This is especially true for Laptops where every new CPU generation brings significant power savings. New hardware features aren't the burden of the hardware manufacturers to use: that's backwards. The burden to have their hardware work with legacy operating systems may exist, but they literally cannot introduce something new that the OS doesn't know how to interpret. Take, for example, USB3: Windows 7 doesn't support it natively, but Microsoft made drivers for it. Windows 8 supports it natively. It's new hardware, but it isn't the hardware manufacturer's responsibility to see that it works on Windows/OSX/Linux (though they were kind enough to have backward compatibility with USB2, which works on those operating systems); that's entirely up to the operating system.[2016-10-14. : 7:21 am]  Lanthanide -- they do have a staying power longer than many other things though, like juicers[2016-10-14. : 7:21 am] Lanthanide -- ie, they use them a lot for a few months, then eventually stop using them and put them away in a cupboard[2016-10-14. : 7:20 am] Lanthanide -- bread machines, like many kitchen appliances, for most people are just novelties[2016-10-14. : 6:49 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- break machines are so cool, I'm baking bread in 5 hours so it will be done in 8 all while I will be asleep  [2016-10-14. : 6:19 am] Lanthanide -- since each individual state sets their own rules, though, it's unlikely this will ever happen[2016-10-14. : 6:19 am] Lanthanide -- all the US would need to do is change the way the electoral college votes are distributed, instead of winner-take-all to proportional[2016-10-14. : 6:18 am] Lanthanide -- 3rd and 4th parties can sometimes be competitive in individual races, but over the long term it will end up being only 2 parties[2016-10-14. : 6:18 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: media is just trying to make you think theres only 2 options in political studies, it has been shown that in first-past-the-post voting systems, the long-term stable outcome is a 2 party system[2016-10-14. : 6:04 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: by most reckonings Jill represents an extreme they're only extreme because the 2 existing parties aren't all that far apart[2016-10-14. : 6:03 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- BloodyZombie117BloodyZombie117 shouted: FaRTy1billion I live in the North-East of the US and I've never heard of that. I dunno where exactly[2016-10-14. : 5:36 am] NudeRaider -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: In soviet russia, car drive you! in Tesla too... under the rig.[2016-10-14. : 5:29 am] jjf28 -- honestly I'm kinda in love with the fact that Sanders has so much say in HRC's policies and HRC is there to hold them back and get something that could actually pass through congress[2016-10-14. : 5:22 am] NudeRaider -- zsnakezzzsnakezz shouted: its just the fact that our current system is making us choose between two extremes not rly. Why not vote Stein? Also while not recommended there's also the options to not vote, or void your vote.[2016-10-14. : 5:18 am] BloodyZombie117 -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Lanthanide Which what most people say, but apparently somewhere in the Eastern US people say "quarter of" I live in the North-East of the US and I've never heard of that.[2016-10-14. : 4:28 am] lil-Inferno -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: A lot of people say, "Quarter past 8, though, which is correct" "What time is it?" "Quarter pas 8, though, which is correct" "ok" LMAO[2016-10-14. : 3:45 am] Broflamingo -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: I bet if you said that 2 years ago, that the democratic nominee had a good chance of winning Alaska, no one would believe you Georgia and North Carolina are in play too. Georgia is demographics, and North Carolina is republican overreatch. NC's governor is a real goof....Pat Mcory I think.[2016-10-14. : 3:43 am] Broflamingo -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: like if someone said "quarter of 8", the only possible meanings are "8:15", or the sarcastic "2:00", and it is neither of those things. lmao.[2016-10-14. : 3:18 am] Lanthanide -- I bet if you said that 2 years ago, that the democratic nominee had a good chance of winning Alaska, no one would believe you[2016-10-14. : 3:12 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: we would we "quarter to 8" Which what most people say, but apparently somewhere in the Eastern US people say "quarter of"[2016-10-14. : 3:09 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Quarter past/after and quarter 'till/to are fine, because those mean what they say[2016-10-14. : 3:06 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- like if someone said "quarter of 8", the only possible meanings are "8:15", or the sarcastic "2:00", and it is neither of those things.[2016-10-14. : 3:01 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- also, speaking of regional things, "quarter of [hour]" is a garbage phrase that makes no sense, and everyone who says it is wrong[2016-10-14. : 3:00 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I wouldn't call it either because it isn't carbonated. he's comparing it to quantity of soda consumed, not calling it soda[2016-10-14. : 2:59 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- the correct answer is soda, the boring answer is soda pop[2016-10-14. : 2:58 am] jjf28 -- ironically I have it often, more than ... great now I don't know whether to call it soda or pop to this geographically diverse crowd[2016-10-14. : 2:55 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- people are just voting him because you gotta keep utah red |
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