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[2016-10-15. : 12:22 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- maybe I should play cookie clicker again. I have nothing else to do today[2016-10-15. : 12:22 am]  Fire_Kame -- BloodyZombie117BloodyZombie117 shouted: Fire_Kame I have made 27 Trillion cookies so far. Just started 4 days ago. Grandma would be so proud... If I hadn't sold her. my grandma's dead[2016-10-15. : 12:19 am] BloodyZombie117 -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: when do the cookies stop I have made 27 Trillion cookies so far. Just started 4 days ago. Grandma would be so proud... If I hadn't sold her.[2016-10-15. : 12:01 am] KrayZee -- Make sure you build a great wall in outer space and have the aliens pay for it.[2016-10-14. : 11:59 pm] KrayZee -- Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: when do the cookies stop When you save America and making it great again by degrading women, minorities, Mexicans, and people with disabilities.[2016-10-14. : 11:40 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: You the type of nigga to watch America's Funniest Home Videos and actually laugh. But the small child is trying to feed the dog a cupcake and then fell over![2016-10-14. : 11:39 pm] lil-Inferno -- You the type of nigga to watch America's Funniest Home Videos and actually laugh.[2016-10-14. : 11:17 pm] NudeRaider -- okay. your explanation made me realize rt=retweet. and mia khalifa isnt someone who became a doctor early, I guess? Still missing the funny part.  [2016-10-14. : 11:11 pm]  Dem0n -- Like the Deadpool photo where it shows Ryan Reynolds with his burned skin makeup and the caption is like, "This brave man survived a battle with cancer. 1 like = 1 prayer"[2016-10-14. : 11:10 pm] Dem0n -- Haven't you seen those pics where it has some inspiring caption about someone and the person in the picture is someone completely different?[2016-10-14. : 9:20 pm] Moose -- Just get the DX12 source and rebuild on your Win7 machine, of course.  [2016-10-14. : 9:16 pm] Moose -- Then again, probably applicable because you probably don't have the source code of the proprietary software using DX12 to rebuild against an older DX11, but Roy said DX12 changed the API so you wouldn't be able to build from source against DX11 anyway.[2016-10-14. : 9:14 pm] Moose -- So yeah, you pretty much have to try to run into this, unless you get proprietary software that's built against a newer glibc than what you have.[2016-10-14. : 9:13 pm] Moose -- So if you use those libraries to build something, then it requires whatever minimal version of GCC which may be above the system default that ld knows to look at.[2016-10-14. : 9:13 pm] Moose -- I only ran into the issue by building a newer version of GCC (above the repository versions) and associated libraries in a directory that ld doesn't look in by default.[2016-10-14. : 9:10 pm] Moose -- Though your regular software updates should pick it up anyway, if only because so many things use glibc.[2016-10-14. : 9:10 pm] Moose -- The package manager should take care of it for you by resolving dependencies and noticing your glibc isn't high enough[2016-10-14. : 9:09 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: You only really run into problems when a program is linked against a newer version of glibc than what's on your system, as far as I've seen. which means I need to update. And it will do it when I choose and not take hours, right?  [2016-10-14. : 9:08 pm] Moose -- You only really run into problems when a program is linked against a newer version of glibc than what's on your system, as far as I've seen.[2016-10-14. : 9:07 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider It's the GNU C Library, the GNU implementation of the C library. ah so just the library, not the compiler?[2016-10-14. : 9:07 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: but isn't glibc a programming environment? I don't intend to write my own programs for anything else than curiosity. And I don't know the other. Is there more I should know before switching to Linux? It's the GNU C Library, the GNU implementation of the C library.[2016-10-14. : 9:06 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: DX12 is a great example, though. It's a way cleaner API and performs significantly better than DX11. It is perfectly valid for a game studio to make a game on DX12 and say Windows 7 is not supported. implying DX12 couldn't be run on Windows 7. For real though, if it was easy (enough) some russian hacker would've done it by now. So yeah I'd count that as a valid example.[2016-10-14. : 9:06 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: but isn't glibc a programming environment? I don't intend to write my own programs for anything else than curiosity. And I don't know the other. Is there more I should know before switching to Linux? Probably not, because any software you get/build will be open-source and built against the correct glibc[2016-10-14. : 8:59 pm] Broflamingo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy btw. Corbo and I were talking about Software running on the OS. I'm still not convinced that Windows is so different that your software needs to decide which OS it will be able to run. P.S: I liked what you said about the OS's.[2016-10-14. : 8:55 pm] Broflamingo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Broflamingo in Tesla too... under the rig. True enough lol. Tesla is about to buy Solar City as well.[2016-10-14. : 8:53 pm] NudeRaider -- but isn't glibc a programming environment? I don't intend to write my own programs for anything else than curiosity. And I don't know the other. Is there more I should know before switching to Linux? [2016-10-14. : 8:51 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: If Nude is mad AF now, just wait and see if he ever has to fight ld and glibc LMAO actually I just expressed my empathy with Corbo who has to use an unwanted OS out of (probably) forced necessity.[2016-10-14. : 8:48 pm] NudeRaider -- RoyRoy shouted: In any case, you said NudeRaider , and I wanted to let you know that there certainly are technical reasons. I don't know enough about WHAT EXACTLY changed in the windows kernel and what implications that has for the devs, but your statements are vague enough that I still have my reasonable doubts that it was a not a strategical decision and not a technical one. After all, you admitted we're still on the same kernel. So named exceptions aside I'd still assume whatever runs on Win 10 should be possible to run on Win 7 with little effort, unless you deliberately make it incompatible.[2016-10-14. : 8:46 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I went to work, did a 35x35 picross and then a 45x50 one, and then I went home[2016-10-14. : 8:29 pm] Moose -- If Nude is mad AF now, just wait and see if he ever has to fight ld and glibc LMAO[2016-10-14. : 8:14 pm] *Generalpie yawns and flops over*[2016-10-14. : 6:32 pm] Roy -- In any case, you said NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I'm pretty sure there's no actual technical reason. , and I wanted to let you know that there certainly are technical reasons.[2016-10-14. : 6:28 pm] Roy -- We eventually did the smart thing and said we'd stop supporting it. Along with IE9 and IE10.[2016-10-14. : 6:23 pm] Roy -- If you've never had the pleasure of supporting old software, I can tell you how painful it was to make sure our websites at work rendered correctly in Internet Explorer 8.[2016-10-14. : 6:21 pm] Roy -- Your position is that developers should never use newer technologies unless it's supported by whatever has the largest market share. If that were the case, we'd have a lot of ancient programs that are only recently migrating away from relying on Windows XP compatibility.[2016-10-14. : 6:18 pm] Roy -- DX12 is just one example. Windows Apps (formerly Metro Apps) is another example. You're right that the OS is similar enough that you could get away with using older/inferior tools for the sake of compatibility: after all, we're still on the Vista kernel. But you're wrong when you say that there's no reason to specify that your software needs to be selective in the operating systems it supports when it is using features that are only supported by said operating systems.[2016-10-14. : 6:13 pm] Roy -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Roy btw. Corbo and I were talking about Software running on the OS. I'm still not convinced that Windows is so different that your software needs to decide which OS it will be able to run. Software runs on hardware, with the OS serving as the interface between the two. If the software wants to use some feature that is only supported in modern versions of Windows, that is the technical reason why it doesn't run on legacy versions of Windows.[2016-10-14. : 6:12 pm] Roy -- DX12 is a great example, though. It's a way cleaner API and performs significantly better than DX11. It is perfectly valid for a game studio to make a game on DX12 and say Windows 7 is not supported. |
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