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[2016-11-10. : 5:11 am]  CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure Because you're stuck on the first step Every single arrow after the second two arrows is fantasy[2016-11-10. : 5:11 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion That's a nice fantasy! I say fantasy because many of those arrows are completely broken. Because you're stuck on the first step[2016-11-10. : 5:10 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: I'm not sure if being racist to fix racism is a good solution... aren't there other criteria like the income of parents, e.g. poorer people have it easier to start studying to break a cycle of poverty? the problem is, at least right now, poorer areas = minorities. I agree it's a broken system. The problem is that breaking poverty has to happen on a much more local level, and there are some legitimately corrupt local governments. Ferguson didn't accidentally become racist.[2016-11-10. : 5:10 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Improved test scores -> higher acceptance in to colleges -> higher education available for an entire population who would not normally have it available -> better jobs for said people -> can afford better educations for their children -> such policies stop being necessary That's a nice fantasy! I say fantasy because many of those arrows are completely broken.[2016-11-10. : 5:10 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Improved test scores -> higher acceptance in to colleges -> higher education available for an entire population who would not normally have it available -> better jobs for said people -> can afford better educations for their children -> such policies stop being necessary[2016-11-10. : 5:08 am] CecilSunkure -- AhliAhli shouted: I'm not sure if being racist to fix racism is a good solution... aren't there other criteria like the income of parents, e.g. poorer people have it easier to start studying to break a cycle of poverty? Yes. Actually Trump talks about this all the time.[2016-11-10. : 5:08 am] Ahli -- I'm not sure if being racist to fix racism is a good solution... aren't there other criteria like the income of parents, e.g. poorer people have it easier to start studying to break a cycle of poverty?[2016-11-10. : 5:08 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- See: Fire_KameFire_Kame shouted: Ahli Usually in a matrix of GPA x SAT, a combination of the two must be met in order to be eligible for colleges. THe more applicants, the more competition. The issue is that there is such a push for minorities to get into college that their requirements are typically lowered. [2016-11-10. : 5:08 am] CecilSunkure -- It is *trying* to provide oppurtunity and it is *trying* to make the diversity numbers better. But I don't at all in any way think that's what it actually does[2016-11-10. : 5:07 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: It's providing opportunity for a disadvantaged (by historical design caused by actual detrimental racism, mind you) people, so that further generations will not need the assistance and such policies will be unnecessary No it's not! It's artificially adjusting test scores! There's no "opportunity" granted! When you get to a higher education you still have to keep performing. You don't magically have that education you lacked for 12 years of public school.[2016-11-10. : 5:06 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- It's providing opportunity for a disadvantaged (by historical design caused by actual detrimental racism, mind you) people, so that further generations will not need the assistance and such policies will be unnecessary[2016-11-10. : 5:05 am] CecilSunkure -- Artificially adjusting the scores muddies the reality of the situation. It massages the numbers to hide root cause problems[2016-11-10. : 5:05 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure Meaning what? If the poverty is so bad, the schools are in such terrible condition, the test scores should reflect that. The test scores should give solid data of a problem that needs to be fixed[2016-11-10. : 5:05 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: the SAT scores are used to filter out applicants to finally have X students for X available slots? Usually in a matrix of GPA x SAT, a combination of the two must be met in order to be eligible for colleges. THe more applicants, the more competition. The issue is that there is such a push for minorities to get into college that their requirements are typically lowered.[2016-11-10. : 5:04 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion By making reality clearer. Meaning what?[2016-11-10. : 5:04 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure And how will that reduce poverty and race gaps? By making reality clearer.[2016-11-10. : 5:04 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- not even necessarily race gaps, but education in ghettos[2016-11-10. : 5:04 am] CecilSunkure -- There's a near zero cost way to remove bureaucratic clutter that bogs down the ability to reason about the facts of reality.[2016-11-10. : 5:04 am] Ahli -- the SAT scores are used to filter out applicants to finally have X students for X available slots?[2016-11-10. : 5:03 am] Fire_Kame -- that's why in the article "bonus" is always in quotations, because it's a literal bonus or modifier to the data, not a physical change to the data[2016-11-10. : 5:03 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Oh I have a great way to improve the system: stop adjusting test scores. And how will that reduce poverty and race gaps?[2016-11-10. : 5:03 am] CecilSunkure -- Oh I have a great way to improve the system: stop adjusting test scores.[2016-11-10. : 5:03 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Farty I get that the motivation comes from a good place. But in the end all it does racially discriminate see: FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: it's probably not the best way, but I don't see you thinking up something better to bridge poverty and racial gaps [2016-11-10. : 5:03 am] CecilSunkure -- The effectiveness of it? Oh okay so it's alright to be racist if someone thinks it's "effective"[2016-11-10. : 5:03 am] Fire_Kame -- AhliAhli shouted: I guess that it's easier to just boost scores instead of investing into the kids of the financially/educationally less fortunate. it doesn't literally change the scores. It says "if you're black, you only need a score of 100, if you're asian, you need a score of 500" that isn't changing the raw data, that's changing how it's measured. Cecil is too emotional to understand that.[2016-11-10. : 5:02 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- like you're just seeing THEY'RE LOWERING MY SCORE. instead of thinking about why it is happening[2016-11-10. : 5:02 am] CecilSunkure -- Farty I get that the motivation comes from a good place. But in the end all it does racially discriminate[2016-11-10. : 5:02 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: FaRTy1billion You're just stating what it's trying to do, not what it's actually doing because I haven't researched the effectiveness of it, or even how long it's been in place[2016-11-10. : 5:02 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: CecilSunkure See: FaRTy1billion You're just stating what it's trying to do, not what it's actually doing[2016-11-10. : 5:02 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- AhliAhli shouted: I guess that it's easier to just boost scores instead of investing into the kids of the financially/educationally less fortunate. there are grants and stuff for that, but funding is limited and people bitch about that too[2016-11-10. : 5:01 am] Ahli -- I guess that it's easier to just boost scores instead of investing into the kids of the financially/educationally less fortunate.[2016-11-10. : 5:01 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: How does artificially adjusting test scores improve society??? See: FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: It's trying to remedy the lasting consequences of segregation ;o Minorities were pushed to the ghettos which are still socioeconomic sinkholes where education and jobs are lacking, and it's to create opportunity to end the cycle [2016-11-10. : 5:01 am] CecilSunkure -- How does artificially adjusting test scores improve society???[2016-11-10. : 5:01 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: I don't care what it's "trying to do". What it *is doing* is what matters to me inconveniencing you, personally, slightly in order to try and improve society?[2016-11-10. : 5:01 am] Fire_Kame -- well that's unfortunate, because that's part of critical thinking you dumb fuck[2016-11-10. : 5:00 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- it's probably not the best way, but I don't see you thinking up something better to bridge poverty and racial gaps[2016-11-10. : 5:00 am] CecilSunkure -- I don't care what it's "trying to do". What it *is doing* is what matters to me[2016-11-10. : 5:00 am] Fire_Kame -- I'm not even arguing for affirmative action or diversity hires. I legitimately just feel bad you don't know how to read statistical analysis[2016-11-10. : 4:59 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- It's trying to remedy the lasting consequences of segregation ;o Minorities were pushed to the ghettos which are still socioeconomic sinkholes where education and jobs are lacking, and it's to create opportunity to end the cycle[2016-11-10. : 4:59 am] Fire_Kame -- I legitimately feel bad for your frail ego that it impacts your ability to critically read[2016-11-10. : 4:58 am] CecilSunkure -- Alright I'm ganna go now Kame. Me and the patriarchy are going to plot how best to control you[2016-11-10. : 4:58 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Whatever quoting that article is only going to make it worse because it's slanting it in the first place[2016-11-10. : 4:57 am] Fire_Kame -- "It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth." from the article[2016-11-10. : 4:56 am] CecilSunkure -- No, it's a boost kame. It only applies to certain CA schools, but still. What the fuck lol[2016-11-10. : 4:56 am] Fire_Kame -- it's a metaphorical boost Cecil. They didn't literally give someone extra points. It's more about how race weights statistics differently[2016-11-10. : 4:55 am] CecilSunkure -- CA is ridiculously racist, because SJW attitude is ridiculously racist, and the politics of CA follow the culture of SJWs[2016-11-10. : 4:54 am] CecilSunkure -- Looks like it's a smaller deduction now, 50, but there's a huge boost if you're black[2016-11-10. : 4:53 am] CecilSunkure -- https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/02/28/asians-penalized-50-points-on-sat-black-students-given-230-bonus-points/[2016-11-10. : 4:53 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Ahli It's to try and bridge the race gap ... Just like Soviet Russia tried to meet their coal and iron quotas -- by mistreating their citizens.[2016-11-10. : 4:52 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- AhliAhli shouted: CecilSunkure CecilSunkure is that true? that's a quite racist system... It's to try and bridge the race gap[2016-11-10. : 4:51 am] Ahli -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: If you're black, your SAT scores will be boosted. Social justice at its finest CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: For example in CA if you're asian your SAT scores will be dropped. That's social justice in action is that true? that's a quite racist system...[2016-11-10. : 4:42 am] CecilSunkure -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: wait, what the fuck does Russia have to do with anything? I'm mocking them with a reference to socialism and meeting quotas through barbaric means, like artificially modifying SAT scores to even out the averages across ethnicities[2016-11-10. : 4:41 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- wait, what the fuck does Russia have to do with anything?[2016-11-10. : 4:41 am] CecilSunkure -- Gotta meet those quotas like Soviet Russia and the iron race! |
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