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[2016-11-10. : 11:14 pm]  Lanthanide -- yes, he also says he'll do thing that are impossible, amongst his lies[2016-11-10. : 11:13 pm]  Roy -- I mean, technically, not understanding that you can't fulfill the promises you're making isn't lying. So Trump could just be incredibly ignorant.[2016-11-10. : 11:13 pm] Lanthanide -- he is also those things, but right now I'm talking about how he lied the most out of any candidate ever[2016-11-10. : 11:13 pm] Lanthanide -- ahh right, one of those people that think socialism means you don't own anything, and give all your money to the poor[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] CecilSunkure -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: well Trump is the biggest lying candidate ever, so yeah You mean the most politically incorrect and abrasive?[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] Lanthanide -- seems most people don't care if their candidates gratuitously lie to them[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] CecilSunkure -- And once he dropped out bought his what, third house? That's not even slightly socialist[2016-11-10. : 11:12 pm] Roy -- UBI is a band-aid that I doubt the US is going to apply until the wound is festering.[2016-11-10. : 11:11 pm] CecilSunkure -- I don't think he was at all a better candidate than Hillary. Personally I took a brief look at some of Bernie's tax plans, and he straight up wanted to heavily tax the middle class[2016-11-10. : 11:11 pm] Roy -- More socialist policies would help solve the automation issue we're seeing with the current capitalist system.[2016-11-10. : 11:08 pm]  Moose -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Roy Probably because he was a socialist, not strictly a Democrat himself Ya, and "socialist" means "literally Stalin" around here LMAO[2016-11-10. : 11:08 pm] Roy -- Honestly, that doesn't sound worse than what he's currently doing, which is surrounding himself with "the swamp".[2016-11-10. : 11:07 pm] Roy -- CecilSunkureCecilSunkure shouted: Roy Probably because he was a socialist, not strictly a Democrat himself Of course; he just picked one of the two parties because that's the only way you'd stand a chance, and his policies lined up more with D than R.[2016-11-10. : 11:06 pm] Roy -- Actually, I take back 2008: McCain was a good candidate, but Palin was an awful VP choice.[2016-11-10. : 11:06 pm] CecilSunkure -- RoyRoy shouted: Yeah, well, a lot of Bernie supporters weren't strictly Democrats, so that's another problem. Probably because he was a socialist, not strictly a Democrat himself [2016-11-10. : 11:04 pm] Roy -- It seems like the GOP has little control over the candidate they end up with, which has been a disaster for them in 2008 and 2012, but worked out quite nicely for them in 2016.[2016-11-10. : 11:02 pm] Roy -- Yeah, well, a lot of Bernie supporters weren't strictly Democrats, so that's another problem. [2016-11-10. : 11:02 pm] Moose -- And surprised that all the Democrats who registered to vote in closed primaries for Bernie suddenly weren't voting Democrat, what a shocker X^D[2016-11-10. : 11:01 pm] Roy -- Instead, people didn't want to vote for the face of establishment and corruption, so they didn't go to the polls. Trump's supporters were faced with an opposite prospect.[2016-11-10. : 11:00 pm] Roy -- Yeah, the dirt throwing didn't affect much. But Clinton still lost, because she wasn't the voice of the people. She was seated by the DNC, who hoped people would just vote for the person with the "(D)" next to their name.[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Lanthanide -- the republicans have been throwing dirt at clinton for decades, and even the email scandal wasn't really the knockout they needed it to be[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Roy -- The head-to-head polls were against each of the GOP candidates. It was consistent.[2016-11-10. : 10:58 pm] Lanthanide -- and similarly, because Bernie was such a left-fielder and unknown, it's unclear how he would have gone in the presidential race - no one knew what dirt there was to dig up on him[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Roy -- She wasn't. The low voter turnout shows that. Compare her numbers to Obama's.[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- the head to head polls between Sanders and Trump aren't worth a lot, really, since at the time there wasn't certainty that Trump would be the nominee[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- I'm just refuting Roy's point that Clinton wasn't the voice of the people, despite her winning the popular vote over Bernie[2016-11-10. : 10:57 pm] Lanthanide -- the evidence suggests that the DNC did things that they probably shouldn't have[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Roy -- True, but you can easily look at head-to-head polls to see that Sanders was the smarter choice there, too.[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Lanthanide -- and the policies/personality/charisma/platform aren't the only important factors in winning the general election, either[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Roy -- It was that her name was "Clinton". And maybe female voters were swayed by her being a woman.[2016-11-10. : 10:56 pm] Moose -- You don't think the DNC pulled any shenanigans in favor of Clinton during the primaries?[2016-11-10. : 10:55 pm] Roy -- There's a combination of factors, but Clinton had far more name recognition, and she used that to her full advantage to get ahead. It wasn't her policies/personality/charisma/platform/etc. that had her lead in the primaries.[2016-11-10. : 10:55 pm] Lanthanide -- and I don't even live in your country and I'm not directly affected by your president[2016-11-10. : 10:54 pm] Moose -- But really, though, it's Yale. They ain't canceling shit if the Democrat wins, let's be real. X^D[2016-11-10. : 10:53 pm] Lanthanide -- except Sanders won New Hampshire and was only narrowly beaten by Clinton in Iowa[2016-11-10. : 10:51 pm] Roy -- Hillary had a strong lead because nobody knew who else was running for the Democratic nomination until things were well underway. That's really all it was.[2016-11-10. : 10:51 pm] Lanthanide -- Trump wasn't a republican either, but obviously he had name recognition[2016-11-10. : 10:51 pm] Lanthanide -- Bernie wasn't even a democrat until 3 weeks before he threw his hat into the ring[2016-11-10. : 10:50 pm] Roy -- Hillary won because she established her name before people knew who Bernie was. He gained a lot more traction in the second half of the primaries, and had they been polled again, it would have been a different result. Follow-up polls confirmed this.[2016-11-10. : 10:49 pm] Lanthanide -- RoyRoy shouted: They should have canceled exams when the DNC fucked over the voice of the people by strategically ruining Bernie Sanders' campaign for a candidate nobody wanted. Hillary won the popular vote in the primary, so she was the voice of the people[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] Lanthanide -- and something like 45% of people didn't even vote (a further 7% couldn't vote)[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] Lanthanide -- anyway, if Trump had 1% lower vote, and Clinton 1% higher, she would have won with about 305 EC votes[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] lil-Inferno -- "OOP is fucking retarded. I will bomb the shit out of anyone who uses OOP." -Donald J. Trump[2016-11-10. : 10:48 pm] Roy -- They should have canceled exams when the DNC fucked over the voice of the people by strategically ruining Bernie Sanders' campaign for a candidate nobody wanted.[2016-11-10. : 10:46 pm] Lanthanide -- the protests that are happening now in the US, aren't that different than what happened in 2008 |
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