The issue is that stalkers are a staple of the protoss army, much like dragoons were in PvT. They have some incredible versatility, able to attack both air and ground with respectable damage, and good maneuverability with blink.
While every unit has counters, there is no telling that those counters are common, or built solely for the purpose of being a counter. Infestors are common in Z armies, while ghosts are uncommon in T armies. The ghost snipe was a very good move by the terran, but ultimately it led to his demise as it threw off his unit composition and roaches dominated towards the end. He really didn't have a choice though. Broodlords + corruptors = dead ground and air. There is a serious gap created by the removal of the goliath and wraiths, and now T is very limited vs. air to ground with air support-- the viking fills neither role particularly well. The thor does not supply much protection against anything but mutalisks, and is too unweildy and expensive to produce in large numbers. Broodlords alone can take out thors due to superior range.
Getting too many ghosts throws off unit composition. Stalkers would eat them up.
You could really throw that blanket statement for any unit, though (i.e. "Getting too many Stalkers throws off unit composition. Marauders would eat them up.").
I recall watching a game where a Terran player used Ghosts to counter Broodlords/Infestors with Snipe and EMP respectively, and it somewhat worked. Interestingly enough, Infestors were apparently the counter to Ghosts, because the Zerg player used neural parasite on one Ghost to EMP all the others.
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Anyway, I think Ghosts should be used more often now that they are less gas-intensive, much like how Infestors became popular after a patch buff. Of course, I agree with your point that they are still purely situational, like nearly every other unit.
See the problem with how much Ghosts throw off your composition is that in the time it takes to make a Ghost, you could've made more than one Marauder. Then you're floating a bit more money than you would be if you'd made a Marauder.
It doesn't do much if you make one Ghost here and there, but pumping them adds up.
The ghost snipe was a very good move by the terran, but ultimately it led to his demise as it threw off his unit composition and roaches dominated towards the end.
It doesn't do much if you make one Ghost here and there, but pumping them adds up.
Yes, I agree. The video probably isn't a great example of what I'm trying to convey (the Terran player was losing to macro towards the end), but it shows that Ghosts have a use that many players wouldn't expect.
Anyway, enough of me rambling about wanting to see Ghosts in higher-level games. Any Protoss players here that can comment on the Pylon radius? I was just thinking it would make placement have to be more strategic, but I don't think any early-tier units would have the range to hit a pylon through a wall-off with the radius decrease. Was this done to make cannon rushing harder?
The pylon range nerf was done to weaken 4gates in PvP. The typical strategy is to place pylons below the ramp so you can warp in Zealots on high ground and basically force the opponent to attack those. Now in order to do so the Pylons will have to be well within range of Stalkers from that high ground.
The pylon range nerf was done to weaken 4gates in PvP. The typical strategy is to place pylons below the ramp so you can warp in Zealots on high ground and basically force the opponent to attack those. Now in order to do so the Pylons will have to be well within range of Stalkers from that high ground.
The pylon range nerf was done to weaken 4gates in PvP. The typical strategy is to place pylons below the ramp so you can warp in Zealots on high ground and basically force the opponent to attack those. Now in order to do so the Pylons will have to be well within range of Stalkers from that high ground.
Symmetry shouted: Man I wish we had this tech back in the day when people played ums lmao
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[2026-7-17. : 2:39 am]
Symmetry -- Man I wish we had this tech back in the day when people played ums lmao
[2026-7-16. : 6:28 am]
NudeRaider -- EUD actions, specifically. The conditions remained. Today we can even have actions again, but they're all virtualized/whitelisted (not sure on the actual technical implementation) so you can only use them for specific intended purposed, not arbitrary code injections.
[2026-7-16. : 6:26 am]
NudeRaider -- I mean yes, maps - through EUDs - were theoretically able to do that as well, but that was patched quickly.
Symmetry shouted: Ohhh imagine a SC map that could delete itself
not the map, the editor
[2026-7-16. : 2:28 am]
Symmetry -- I vaguely remember Voy doing some ACE back in the day, but I had no idea EUDs could do that kind of shit. I am very much catching up on the technology
[2026-7-16. : 2:28 am]
Symmetry -- Ohhh imagine a SC map that could delete itself
Symmetry shouted: NudeRaider Is EUD editor capable of writing shit onto the player's harddrive? That seems like it would be dangerous
yeah an editor that isn't allowed to write files sounds rather pointless, so I'd assume it can. Like most other programs too btw. and yes, obviously that's dangerous, but also kinda necessary. MS introduced that virtualization for exactly that reason.
[2026-7-15. : 4:10 am]
Ultraviolet -- I don't think so. I think they shut that shit down after 1.16, maybe even earlier
