The issue is that stalkers are a staple of the protoss army, much like dragoons were in PvT. They have some incredible versatility, able to attack both air and ground with respectable damage, and good maneuverability with blink.
While every unit has counters, there is no telling that those counters are common, or built solely for the purpose of being a counter. Infestors are common in Z armies, while ghosts are uncommon in T armies. The ghost snipe was a very good move by the terran, but ultimately it led to his demise as it threw off his unit composition and roaches dominated towards the end. He really didn't have a choice though. Broodlords + corruptors = dead ground and air. There is a serious gap created by the removal of the goliath and wraiths, and now T is very limited vs. air to ground with air support-- the viking fills neither role particularly well. The thor does not supply much protection against anything but mutalisks, and is too unweildy and expensive to produce in large numbers. Broodlords alone can take out thors due to superior range.
Getting too many ghosts throws off unit composition. Stalkers would eat them up.
You could really throw that blanket statement for any unit, though (i.e. "Getting too many Stalkers throws off unit composition. Marauders would eat them up.").
I recall watching a game where a Terran player used Ghosts to counter Broodlords/Infestors with Snipe and EMP respectively, and it somewhat worked. Interestingly enough, Infestors were apparently the counter to Ghosts, because the Zerg player used neural parasite on one Ghost to EMP all the others.
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Anyway, I think Ghosts should be used more often now that they are less gas-intensive, much like how Infestors became popular after a patch buff. Of course, I agree with your point that they are still purely situational, like nearly every other unit.
See the problem with how much Ghosts throw off your composition is that in the time it takes to make a Ghost, you could've made more than one Marauder. Then you're floating a bit more money than you would be if you'd made a Marauder.
It doesn't do much if you make one Ghost here and there, but pumping them adds up.
The ghost snipe was a very good move by the terran, but ultimately it led to his demise as it threw off his unit composition and roaches dominated towards the end.
It doesn't do much if you make one Ghost here and there, but pumping them adds up.
Yes, I agree. The video probably isn't a great example of what I'm trying to convey (the Terran player was losing to macro towards the end), but it shows that Ghosts have a use that many players wouldn't expect.
Anyway, enough of me rambling about wanting to see Ghosts in higher-level games. Any Protoss players here that can comment on the Pylon radius? I was just thinking it would make placement have to be more strategic, but I don't think any early-tier units would have the range to hit a pylon through a wall-off with the radius decrease. Was this done to make cannon rushing harder?
The pylon range nerf was done to weaken 4gates in PvP. The typical strategy is to place pylons below the ramp so you can warp in Zealots on high ground and basically force the opponent to attack those. Now in order to do so the Pylons will have to be well within range of Stalkers from that high ground.
The pylon range nerf was done to weaken 4gates in PvP. The typical strategy is to place pylons below the ramp so you can warp in Zealots on high ground and basically force the opponent to attack those. Now in order to do so the Pylons will have to be well within range of Stalkers from that high ground.
The pylon range nerf was done to weaken 4gates in PvP. The typical strategy is to place pylons below the ramp so you can warp in Zealots on high ground and basically force the opponent to attack those. Now in order to do so the Pylons will have to be well within range of Stalkers from that high ground.
Oh_Man -- No APM in chess. Computer just outthinks the human by seeing more moves ahead and more permutations
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Oh_Man -- U reckon? Kasparov waa defeated by computer decades ago
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NimoStar -- If its any consolation, the human brain would still mop the floor with this bot if it wasn't limited by the mechanical interface
[05:34 pm]
NimoStar -- Well. The bot didn't come up with any new strategy. It just has superhuman micro. Hard to beat that. I reckon even the simplest dedicated chess engines are unbeatable for humans now.
Oh_Man shouted: NudeRaider did u watch the entire video? it's not one game. it's currently dominating the ladder at number 1 position. do ur research first!
Oops, caught me there, no I haven't. I was imagining how the game went. Sorry for that. Watching it now. brb
NimoStar shouted: They were not "Unprepared" that was their fifth loss in a row against the bot. The other replays are also available
that doesn't mean he was prepared. When humans come around with new strategies it often takes weeks until the pros figure out how to shut it down. Oh_Man
I was imagining how the game went. Sorry for that. Watching it now. brb