Save the .trg file. Open up Staredit, and actually look at Staredit's trigger editor. Everything will become clear. You may want to use fartyedit, though.

Making EUD triggers in text form would be so much faster (for what I'm doing). All you would have to do is make a master trigger, which will state and contain the generic version of the trigger, and then open up the text editor, open up Notepad++ and change the values of what you want. Import. Save. Smile! I don't know why SI didn't do this before. This would really set Scmdraft away from the rest *cough*StarForge*cough*

If SCMDraft could benefit from anything, it's autocomplete. *cough*

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An hour editing triggers is ridiculous.

Have you ever programmed anything?

And I was specifically only talking about editing EUD triggers in relation to creating other triggers.

But yes, I have programmed. However, I've never programmed anything that is as tedious and monotonous as what editing these EUD triggers would be which is editing one number for dozens of triggers.

My real point was that with SCMD2's trigger editor, and the multitude of duplicator programs out there, there's no reason to be spending hours doing tedious edits on triggers anymore, especially if it's just changing a single number. The only reason this can't be applied to EUD triggers is that UnitID's can't be put into SCMD2, which is such a ridiculous obstacle in the way of saving a lot of time, because doing these edits in EUD triggers should be the same as macroing through any other groups of triggers and that should take only minutes.

And so I find that an actual connection to other types of triggers is more closely related to the actual situation with EUD triggers than a connection to programming in general. If you're going to propose such an analogy and put it in a broader scope, then everything could just be put into an even broader scope. I could say that spending a week editing the same trigger is a small amount of time if related to the age of the universe, or even the span of one's lifetime.

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@devilesk: That was deep! Anywho, their is no other way to make these triggers besides StarForge? I looked in StarEdit and and the unit doesn't even appear. I am still waiting for something where you just edit one variable and then make the trigger. I don't have any duplicators. Can you even use them in StarForge?

Can you use Hit Point and Shield Point EUD triggers in multi player games? I have yet to test for the Mana of a unit. What about setting the health or shield points of a unit via EUD triggers. I know someone told me that you can't use EUD actions but I'm not sure if that was for something or if that was for everything.

devilesk, can you explain to me how you tested for selecting a unit? I can't seem to figure out how you would put a number into Artmoney that make a unit selected or unselected. For that mater, also have it for multiple players.

How do I know if my EUD triggers will work for each player? I would like to have at least 4 players in a game at once and have them use this. Do I just change my player number and test for the Hit Points and Shield Points again under a different player, or is their some equation that I just divide the current Memory Offset by and it works?

Just put in the appropriate address into Artmoney (based on what player is doing the selecting) and select a unit in game and see what value it gives you. The value will be the death counter value and putting in the address into EUDtrig will give you the player and unit.

For EUD selection detecting for player 1 the player will be p10 and the unitid is 13490
Then I believe the other players' unitIDs just follow sequentially, for example p2 would be deaths for p10 of unit 13491

And how about you learn to make a good map without EUD's before you start using them

Yes... EUDs can easily be used in StarForge. It's been posted all over, so I'm not going to specify. And also why should a unit string appear when it is an invalid unit? They still work for StarEdit, though.

Yes they work for multiplayer. Actions are gone, unless you use an enabler (so no setting.)

He posted the addresses... but what they contain are pointers to the unitnode array.

Testing shields and HP is irrelevant to players; you are reading a specific unit slot. In EUDs player ID and unit ID (in the trigger itself) lose all meaning, by the way.

Yea, you can go ahead and tell him what that means

Thanks for the help, but I knew it wouldn't be free. Their is always some smart remark that has to be made when asking information from devilesk.

Ok, not that I have established how to find EUD's and pretty much everything there is to know about them, I would like to know if their is a list of what can and can't be achieved when using EUD triggers. I know FaRTy has a list on Addresses but I'm looking for specific things that can be done using EUD triggers. Is it just everything (within reason) that can be either seen, counted, added, subtracted in a regular game?

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That's FaRTy, and yes, it's just about everything that can be seen or counted.

The correct approach is:

I want to do X.

How do I do it? Can I do it with regular triggers? If not, can I use EUDs? If not, can I mod it? If not, find a new idea.

*There

And it's not a smart remark, it's the truth. There's no point in using EUDs if you haven't even fully explored what could be done without them.

*there

this could be very good advise for people who struggling with EUD as well Can I bring this content to other wepsite?

EUD unit selection is not faster than detecting the ressource lost as a method to controle your thing in snake-like or tron-like games.
And the "double select = center screen on unit" is annoying.
Using the hotkeys A and S for controls have the same speed (and the hotkeys shouldn't change in most languages; other keys than A and S for Arbiter and Scout, somebody? no? ).

What are you talking about? I read your post twice and I couldn't figure out if you were asking a question or offering someone advise.

He told us that sc updates its adresses slower than hypers run the triggers.
That means if you're trying to do a control system via EUD's you could as well build units, using hotkeys A and S (which he hopes are the same in all languages).
At least that's what I understand.

I highly doubt this - under normal operation Starcraft should write and read its game data from RAM once per frame (FPS = UPS under ideal conditions), and therefore since hypertriggers execute once per frame (exactly once per update I believe), the speed should be roughly exact, plus or minus one update depending on the order of execution of things within the update.

I have just made a small map that uses a 3x3 square of zerg eggs to control a scourge, and it works very well. I'll be releasing it shortly.

It uses EUD's I'm guessing?

Without EUD's how would you do anything only with zerg eggs?

I didn't even know that you could place (in editor or via triggers) eggs. I tried it but nothing happened. Well, I will just have to wait for him to upload it and take a peek inside. O_O'