Just a reminder: Year 2 ends approximately 18 hours from this post.

Also, TiKel's bills is just a draft, I won't accept votes on it until it is submitted.



Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 31 2011, 12:29 am by rayNimagi.

Assuming Tikel's final bill is identical to his draft, I vote for that in advance.

It seems that Payne is still unwilling to cooperate in finding a favorable outcome for anyone but himself. It is truly saddening that he would want to turn our democratic government into some kind of dictatorship in which he decides the fates of all men and needs not listen to anyone else.

I am sorry Payne, but this is a government for the people, not just for you. If you do not work out favorable terms with the other representatives of Congress, as previously stated, you can be guaranteed that your bills will not pass. The sooner you realize this, the better it will be for everyone involved.

Hopefully you will be more reasonable next year, at which time I will gladly help you work out terms which are agreeable to you

You've got everything wrong, except for me not wanting to cooperate with your dictatorship.
No matter what I do, Technology will always get raped to oblivion until Year 4, so I'm remaining independent, and I will keep doing my best to try to propose good bills for my citizens.

The bill introduction period is over, so all Congress has to do is vote on the current bills if they have not done so already.

By the way, TiKels never formally submitted a bill.

Payne Final No
Rai Final Yes
Lanth Final Yes

I finalize my vote YES on Lant's bill.

Must I understand

+Order
-Equality

is not fine with anyone? It's the only difference between my bill and Lant's.

ffffffffuuuuuuuuuu

I formally introduce my bill

Less "-Technology"!

Raitaki's bill awaits presidential action.



Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 3 2012, 3:54 am by rayNimagi.

I sign Raitaki's bill.

Lanthanide's bill awaits presidential action.

I sign Lanthanide's bill.

Lanthanide's bill has passed.

Year 3 has begun! You have until Saturday, January 7th at 6:00 pm to introduce new bills.





I've been considering a few changes to gameplay (they probably might not go into effect until next game):
Objective (policy) points are "banked" every 2 years, at which time policies are reset to 0.
Policies are completely re-randomized every 2 years.
Optional: Any player with a negative score (either for the 2 year period or net score, TBD) at a 2 year mark is removed from the game--last one standing wins.

This would prevent a few people from making an alliance that would last the whole game, as well the game more interesting.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jan 4 2012, 4:04 am by rayNimagi.

Now that we are on the way to saving SEN's forests and fishies, it is time to save SEN's air.

I propose the Clear Air Bill:
+1 Environment
+1 Economy
-1 Technology
-1 Order

This will involve planting masses and masses of forests to be watered from our clean pristine rivers full of fishies and of course shutting down the polluting factories.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 4 2012, 4:14 am by Lanthanide.

None of this is necessary, and the re-randomization one would completely destroy the gameplay.


I think it'd actually make it incredibly less interesting, since it'd be entirely devoid of the same level of strategy in play here.

I understand we're making this look easy, but it took a considerable amount of effort and trust for those in the SRP to organize an alliance without revealing the entirety of our policies to one another, to come together and actually cooperate on some level, and to negotiate policies we would support for others when we don't have them ourselves. Also keep in mind that regardless of how many people ally, only one person can win, so in reality everyone is still out for themselves.

Payne is complaining about the game mechanics because he's on the losing end of a winning strategy, that's all. He is fully capable of forming an alliance himself, or cooperating with the controlling party to be screwed as little as possible. This is how actual politics works in real life, and the fact you've replicated that dynamic in a forum game is impressive to me. Don't ruin it in the future with knee-jerk rule changes. Any updates not designed to preserve that dynamic are unnecessary, and those seeking to prevent it are extremely counterproductive.

The fact that forming a political party was done out of strategic merit, rather than simply being in theme, speaks volumes by itself about the current state of your game.

At any rate, the alliances will already be tested at the four-year mark when additional policies become available and negative policies are introduced (as I am assuming they will be). That will also be an opportunity for another party to overtake the current one to regain points lost this term, if they actually take the time to employ proper tactics.

One change I would recommend in the future though, is the part about "all new policies will be either positive or negative", to instead make it so they can be a mixture of positive and negative, but everyone receives the same mixture of them (so if one person gets +2, +4, -4 policies, then everyone got +2, +4, and -4).

Anyways, keep up the good work, this has turned out pretty well so far.

Yes to Lanth's bill


A Draft:
+Morality
+Freedom
-Technology
-Order

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jan 4 2012, 7:54 am by FaRTy1billion. Reason: Coloring text