Simple Mafia: Game Over (Topic)

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[2012-10-27. : 6:35 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- I'm betting this on the fact that you aren't mafia (on the basis you did, in fact, call me a dumbass), which is why I'm explaining my line of thought
[2012-10-27. : 6:34 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- People who stay silent and watch are probably mafia, because they want the town to self-destruct
[2012-10-27. : 6:34 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- Starting shit against townies makes it less likely for the mafia to actually hit me, and it's likely that anyone who calls bullshit on my bandwagons is a town
[2012-10-27. : 6:33 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- If I were actually trying to get him killed, I wouldn't be saying anything. I'd either fish for the vig silently and tell him to target inferno, or start a bandwagon with "clue interpretations" during the day
[2012-10-27. : 6:32 pm] poison_us whispers to you -- then why are you trying so hard to get him killed? This makes no sense.
[2012-10-27. : 6:31 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- That's because I don't, since unfortunately he's actually townie
[2012-10-27. : 6:31 pm] poison_us -- You also propose to lynch solely on the basis of someone being annoying. You don't even pretend that you think they're mafia.
[2012-10-27. : 6:30 pm] poison_us -- Aggression is not always your friend, friend.
[2012-10-27. : 6:29 pm] poison_us -- You want to lynch anyone speaking out against you, and you pretend you're some instant guarantee that the town will win.

I'm confused about the part in red.

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Look, Demon, I think it's great you finally have something to have a backbone for. But throwing around threats in a Mafia game is something you do not do idly. That means either you're willing to have a vig hit someone who you simply disagree with, or you're a mafia.

And knock it off with the Aristo[whatever] names. It's not cute, it's not funny, it only makes you seem more emotionally involved in a game that necessitates logic. Speaking of which, how does it feel being Azrael's puppet?

Are you kidding me? Throwing around threats is something you don't do in Mafia? Since when? Show me the last time we had a game where people weren't throwing around accusations and threats from Day 1. Hell, show me one where people weren't doing that before the game even started.

Also, I hope you realize Aristocrat started the whole name calling thing.

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HCM�Aristocrat -- I am amused by the fact that Dem0nISm0k3w33dS1ayer thinks that's enough to get me lynched
HCM�Aristocrat -- Oh, that reminds me. Dem0nMafiaRuleBreakingS1ayer is somehow in this game. We should remove him first.
HCM�Aristocrat -- Get outta mah thread Dem0nAnallyLynchedS1ayer
HCM�Aristocrat -- Petition to change all instances of Dem0nS1ayer to W33dSm0ker
HCM�Aristocrat -- Please don't talk Dem0nIKnowJackShitAboutComputersS1ayer
HCM�Aristocrat -- Dem0nAnallyLynchedS1ayer, I suggest you watch your mouth

I can't tell if you're hung over and just really bad at this, posion.

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Here's the entire conversation (~~will edit this post with the~~ link to the saved shouts):

[2012-10-27. : 6:35 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- I'm betting this on the fact that you aren't mafia (on the basis you did, in fact, call me a dumbass), which is why I'm explaining my line of thought
[2012-10-27. : 6:34 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- People who stay silent and watch are probably mafia, because they want the town to self-destruct
[2012-10-27. : 6:34 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- Starting shit against townies makes it less likely for the mafia to actually hit me, and it's likely that anyone who calls bullshit on my bandwagons is a town
[2012-10-27. : 6:33 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- If I were actually trying to get him killed, I wouldn't be saying anything. I'd either fish for the vig silently and tell him to target inferno, or start a bandwagon with "clue interpretations" during the day
[2012-10-27. : 6:32 pm] poison_us whispers to you -- then why are you trying so hard to get him killed? This makes no sense.
[2012-10-27. : 6:31 pm] HCM?Aristocrat whispers to poison_us -- That's because I don't, since unfortunately he's actually townie
[2012-10-27. : 6:31 pm] poison_us -- You also propose to lynch solely on the basis of someone being annoying. You don't even pretend that you think they're mafia.
[2012-10-27. : 6:30 pm] poison_us -- Aggression is not always your friend, friend.
[2012-10-27. : 6:29 pm] poison_us -- You want to lynch anyone speaking out against you, and you pretend you're some instant guarantee that the town will win.

I'm confused about the part in red.

What I quoted was sent from Aristocrat in a PM to people he considered plausibly town.

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Are you kidding me? Throwing around threats is something you don't do in Mafia? Since when? Show me the last time we had a game where people weren't throwing around accusations and threats from Day 1. Hell, show me one where people weren't doing that before the game even started.

Also, I hope you realize Aristocrat started the whole name calling thing.

I can't tell if you're hung over and just really bad at this, posion.

I don't care who started it. I don't care who gets the last word. It's just incredibly annoying from both of you. It's something that a civilized person would simply ignore.

And you misunderstood me. There was a key word you apparently missed, but let me elaborate: throwing IDLE threats is something you don't do in mafia. I'm not saying threats are unheard of, I'm saying people don't just throw threats without some method to back them up.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Oct 29 2012, 5:23 pm by poison_us. Reason: Second fix is the charm?

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Look, Demon, I think it's great you finally have something to have a backbone for. But throwing around threats in a Mafia game is something you do not do idly. That means either you're willing to have a vig hit someone who you simply disagree with, or you're a mafia.

And knock it off with the Aristo[whatever] names. It's not cute, it's not funny, it only makes you seem more emotionally involved in a game that necessitates logic. Speaking of which, how does it feel being Azrael's puppet?

Are you kidding me? Throwing around threats is something you don't do in Mafia? Since when? Show me the last time we had a game where people weren't throwing around accusations and threats from Day 1. Hell, show me one where people weren't doing that before the game even started.

Also, I hope you realize Aristocrat started the whole name calling thing.

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HCM�Aristocrat -- I am amused by the fact that Dem0nISm0k3w33dS1ayer thinks that's enough to get me lynched
HCM�Aristocrat -- Oh, that reminds me. Dem0nMafiaRuleBreakingS1ayer is somehow in this game. We should remove him first.
HCM�Aristocrat -- Get outta mah thread Dem0nAnallyLynchedS1ayer
HCM�Aristocrat -- Petition to change all instances of Dem0nS1ayer to W33dSm0ker
HCM�Aristocrat -- Please don't talk Dem0nIKnowJackShitAboutComputersS1ayer
HCM�Aristocrat -- Dem0nAnallyLynchedS1ayer, I suggest you watch your mouth

I can't tell if you're hung over and just really bad at this, posion.

Hooooly crap. Are we really going to do the "he started it!" routine? I preferred the Sparticus motif. :\

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I'm not trying to start anything. I'm merely pointing out the facts that others have overlooked in their bias.

I ABSTAIN.At least for the time being until i analyze the situation more clearly.

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I'm going to put myself out on a limb and nominate myself as town hub. If you so trust me, please send me whatever information you believe relevant to town's survival and we'll start planning. There has been some question as to why I'm aggressively asking for town roles (ie the conversation between lil and I above) and I can say that it started with curiosity. But really, it is in the town's best interest to rally behind each other, correct? I know I'm still a little green, but I want to help.

If not me, can we find someone to rally behind? If someone else feels themselves more qualified I will rescind on my offer and fall in line accordingly. I hope you all can learn to trust me. :kame:

Should you have a power role I will not betray this information to anyone unless it will specifically benefit you (ie if vigilante comes forward and if a doctor comes forward, I'll see if I can set them up with protection).

I change my vote to Dem0n

I simply cant ignore the ignition post:

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LADIES AND GENTS,

Allow me to enlighten you on some interesting, yet disturbing revelations that I have recently discovered. While reading through the events of the last day, I noticed a few consistencies that the monsters that invade our town surely had hoped for us to overlook. First, I noticed that the new name of our glorious town was picked through a hat drawing, in a raffle-like fashion. Upon further inspection, I noticed that the last three winners of the lottery who are permanent residents of our town were Vrael, poison_us, and Aristocrat. Furthermore, I saw many references of the corrupt bureaucracy that has kept our town on such a short leash. There were mentions of a bureaucrat, shortened to the word "bureau." Aristocrat, whose name uncannily resembles bureaucrat, is also shortened to Aristo, which resembles bureau. What may seem like a few coincidences, as I first thought, were reassured to me as solid leads after seeing the numerous death threats Aristocrat had been sending to lil-Inferno, Sagan rest his soul. This is, without a doubt, motive for the crime, as Aristocrat was always out to get lil-Inferno.

My good people, I have no doubt in my mind that Aristocrat is a murderous traitor. He has fooled us all, but now it is time for him to pay for his crimes. I implore you all to trust me on this and vote to lynch him. He has fooled us for the last time. I do not want any more blood spilled, and I know that none of you do either. Listen to me, and we shall kill a monster this day.

I vote for Aristocrat.

The Night post was only active for about 9 minutes before this was posted. Quite obvious it was a copy-paste post with lil's name just hastily put in. The post could have worked with anyone's name put in.

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Aristocrat works at Kate's. lil-Inferno was the CFO there. Aristocrat is poor. lil-Inferno was rich. He was jealous of lil's money, and that's why he killed him. Roy's story in the Night 1 post tells us so. Too easy of a clue, you say? I'd like to say no, it is not. These clues could only be found by cross-referencing two separate players' PMs. It's a shame that the Mafia player so graciously revealed his PM for the entire world to see.

The evidence is indisputable, Aristocrat. Give it up. You're dead.

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The voice was unfamiliar to the man. "Do you even know me? Who are you? Why me?" He turned his head every which way, not even knowing which direction his collocutor was. "Is it money you want? You can have all of it! Please!"

"Having no wealth of my own, I am a bit jealous of yours; that's not why you're here, though. Do I know you? No, not really. I'd like to get to know you. Right now, in fact. Let's start from the beginning. And don't worry, I already know how it ends."

It doesnt make sense for Aris to be working at Kate's if the voice was unfamiliar, while also the killer acknowledges doesn't know lil.

The evidence is just too clear to be pointing toward Aris. Your hostility doesn't make it any better also.

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Just playing devil's advocate but CFOs and lowly workers often times do not know each other personally. But the concept of Roy making clues based on people's role PMs is absurd. (or genius...?)

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Woah

Works for me. It does seem like Dem0n has it out for Aristo every game.

I vote Dem0n.

I also don't doubt that Roy is a genius and probably is making the clues based more on the fictitious character interaction than actual players.

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I'd ignore that. Roy says in the opening post the FDA demanded a sample of produce - it would actually be the Health Department reps, which is usually outsourced to a third party that then reports to the state, and the state reports to the FDA. And they aren't allowed to take samples or such, because it is like taking a bribe to them. I don't think Roy is the most accurate with such things.

A company like Kate's shouldn't have a CFO anyways; it is incredibly small to warrant needing one.....

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Lotus, as said before, I had evidence against Aristocrat two days ago, right after the opening post was made. I kept it to myself because I did not want to get killed at night. As soon as Roy posted the night results, I typed up my evidence against Aristocrat and posted it. I sent the same evidence to lil-Inferno and Raccoon in a PM during Night 1 just in case I was killed off that night.

I did add lil-inferno's name after seeing that he was killed only because it further solidified Aristocrat's position as Mafia. He hates me and lil, so if either of us died, Aristo was going to be suspicious. I'm glad he actually killed lil, because now we can irrefutable evidence against him.

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As for this night, though, I'm not sure why I'm up at all. I have plans, sure, but none of which I could not have done later or earlier.

Clue? or just bad grammar? Switches from present tense to past tense.

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Ugh, actually, as far as produce is concerned there might be all sorts of agricultural boards you go through too.

Woah

Where's the irrefutable evidence? Just because he may hate either of you doesn't mean he'd be dumb enough to kill one of you. By that same logic if Aristocrat is hit at night, I can then claim that you always have a grudge against him so therefore you must be Mafia.

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Please show me the evidence you guys have against me. Please, do it. I beg you. I want you to incriminate me. Just post it right here. Everything you've got on me. I can't wait to see it all.

None of you have anything on me. The fact that you're voting for me is ridiculous, when the evidence against Aristocrat is undeniable. I not only have clues against him, but his behavior doesn't help his case at all. You guys say I've had it out for Aristocrat every game? You all really need to learn to see things from both sides. Why do you think I've wanted Aristocrat dead? He always goes for me, as well as other townies, just because he thinks they're mafia. He's stupid, and everyone follows him.

There is nothing at all that any of you can say to incriminate me. I haven't done anything but state the facts. All you guys are basing your votes off of are actions that both Aristocrat and I are guilty of, yet I'm the only one being seen as suspicious for them.

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I don't see your evidence against Aristo as being undeniable. It is undeniably a couple of coincidences.

He doesn't like you and lil. lil dies. I doubt he'd make it that obvious.

I only see 2 clues in your original post following the Night post:

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First, I noticed that the new name of our glorious town was picked through a hat drawing, in a raffle-like fashion. Upon further inspection, I noticed that the last three winners of the lottery who are permanent residents of our town were Vrael, poison_us, and Aristocrat.

This seems forced. Also this means any of those 3 can be Mafia based on that logic, not just Aristo. And if you want to be technical, was Aristo the last winner when the PMs were sent?

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Furthermore, I saw many references of the corrupt bureaucracy that has kept our town on such a short leash. There were mentions of a bureaucrat, shortened to the word "bureau." Aristocrat, whose name uncannily resembles bureaucrat, is also shortened to Aristo, which resembles bureau.

People call you Dem0n instead of Dem0nS1ayer. In fact, you shortened your name from Dem0nS1ayer to Dem0n, so couldn't this point to you?

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He wasn't the last winner when PMs were sent out, but he, along with Vrael and poison, were the only recent winners who are playing the game.

And yes, people do call me Dem0n. But it's not almost synonymous to bureau.

Woah

My point is that I don't think the shortened name "clue" means anything. And I think the other "clue" doesn't make sense as you can then pick and choose from the top 5 or 10 or all 50 winners. Why is it limited to the top 3?

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Those three are the only three in the past 50 winners who are playing. The reason I chose Aristocrat out of the three is because the other information in that post made references to Aristocrat. The night post, in conjunction with Aristo and Inferno's PMs, made it even more obvious.