So what you're basically saying is that he's guilty regardless of how he plays, shows up post-lynch, etc? Because I remember the time you pulled this crap on me. I literally had no idea there was a countdown at all, and poof! I was mafiazors.
So what you're literally saying is that you're blatantly defending someone who is obvious scum. He was fully aware there was a countdown. The conversation was taking place in real-time.
This is a lie. As stated in the conversation I was on my phone, and unable to interact quick enough. From my end I saw you say that you wanted me to tell my role, refreshed, and you were already at "1". Intentionally too brief for me to react.
Also, it doesn't matter what he shows up post lynch, since he immediately hinted at the fact he'd show up as Town. It's not like we should be surprised if someone shows up as Town, since all Null show up as Town no matter what, and it can be assumed that Mafia have some capacity to change displayed roles, since all Beguilers so far have been able to do that in some capacity.
Covering your tracks so no matter what the outcome you're not held culpable. Mafia are certainly capable of tampering with information. This also means that they could be capable of tampering with results from cyberforensic investigators to show anything! Not just town. Assuming you're town, you know anything could be possible, yet you choose the one side of the information that would benefit your goal of killing me.
I guarantee he is either Mafia or Null. Read the conversation. He was begging me to agree to his terms, to ally and help him win, until I told him I'd kill him if he was scum. Then he said I was disgustingly dishonest and refused to tell me anything else. If that isn't the most obvious scumtell ever, I don't know what is.
I just had problems trusting a person who abused my trust in the previous game. That's why I was being restrictive with my information and showing distaste. Not because I'm mafia. I'll outline this more in the coming section.
You're so positive that it's going to show that I'm a mafia alignment when I die. Maybe there's a reason you were acting so certain of the mafia's powers.
As I said in the shoutbox already, you wouldn't have acted so weird when I told you I was Mafia unless you knew I was lying. You had no problem allying me when I was Mafia last game, and you were Town. That indicates that this time you knew I was lying.
You were fully willing to team up with me. If I wasn't already sure you were scum, I'd have probably agreed to it. The last reaction test was just icing on the cake.
Last game you framed your contract with the perspective that you were a townie and you were risking allying a mafia. You purposefully manipulated my perceptions to trick me into lowering my guard while simultaneously abusing my trust in you that I've built over the last few games. Here's a copy of the agreement for the LAST mafia game. As well as some interesting tidbits I found from the shoutboks that link back to my previous thoughts (
in blue).
Like page 212 and 216 of the shoutboks as of 12:39 P.M. today

[2012-9-12. : 10:37 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Alright.
[2012-9-12. : 10:36 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- perhaps hop over to our chatroom briefly just to be sure?
[2012-9-12. : 10:36 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- lol
[2012-9-12. : 10:35 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Assuming you don't screw up the shout lol.
[2012-9-12. : 10:35 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Sure.
[2012-9-12. : 10:35 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- is it safe to do it in the shoutbox?
[2012-9-12. : 10:35 pm] Roy -- Shapeshifters have some nice roles in the bucket.
[2012-9-12. : 10:35 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- I agree.
[2012-9-12. : 10:34 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- I agree to all the terms as long as you affirm the statement "I will not disperse, spread, or release TiKels role or abilities indirectly or directly to any person, party, or entity."
[2012-9-12. : 10:34 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- If so, what's your role? And yes, of course I won't disclose your role to anyone.
[2012-9-12. : 10:33 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Do you agree to all the terms?
[2012-9-12. : 10:32 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- wow it was five pages ago so... "I agree so long as you agree to not disclose my role to other people. "
[2012-9-12. : 10:31 pm] Azrael -- If you take every possibility into account, then he can't surprise you.
[2012-9-12. : 10:31 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- look for whispers
[2012-9-12. : 10:31 pm] Azrael -- There's no way to know what the Beguiler can do, so we should assume he can do everything.
[2012-9-12. : 3:39 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- I agree so long as you agree to not disclose my role to other people.
(azrael goes afk)
[2012-9-12. : 2:34 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Let me know.
[2012-9-12. : 2:34 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Oh, and in the case you are Mafia, I will not tell anyone, and will try to prevent your death if possible.
[2012-9-12. : 2:32 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Along with swearing to uphold the conditions listed within.
[2012-9-12. : 2:32 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- Those are the terms, if you agree then reply with the information mentioned.
[2012-9-12. : 2:32 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- You can't tell the other Mafia my role either.
[2012-9-12. : 2:31 pm] Azrael whispers to you -- I want you to tell me your role, and give me your word that it's legit, and most importantly, give me your word that you will try to keep me alive even if you're Mafia (especially if you're Mafia). In exchange, I'll tell you my role.
[2012-9-12. : 2:30 pm] Dem0n -- dont kill me
[2012-9-12. : 2:28 pm] HCM™Aristocrat -- I Iz LEET -- Do I have the same amount of respect as Aristocrat now? <--- What the fuck did you just fucking say about me you little bitch
[2012-9-12. : 2:23 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- I kinda want to secure a non-hatred with aristocrat
[2012-9-12. : 2:23 pm] TiKels whispers to Azrael -- watcha wanna do with mafia?
As you can see I was the same level of apprehensive about it, with an hour of deliberation and then continued stipulations following that. I hadn't even been backstabbed at that point. This time azrael didn't ask if I wanted to ally him, he just did it and claimed mafia of all things. I was skeptical, especially with the increased aggression in his methods that he put against me. I was super uncertain of how to react against such a blatantly hostile and manipulative player. I mean really, a player who just tricked you into a contract is now asking you to very rashly make decisions? Come on.
This bit in blue is a completely valid train of thought. But notice how it is not present in azrael's current thought process. He assumes that certain aspects of the game are going to be reliable (namely the results of gravedigging). This contradicts itself.You gave me equal rights in the contract only if I was mafia, which you were sure I wasn't because you were mafia. This is dirty.
Lol at demon.No I wasn't. I spent like 12 hours trying to figure out what kind of trick you were putting me through. Irony is that I still fell right into it.
Azrael lead the last game through me. All the things that I posted were azrael's writing. This time he's trying to kill me.
Right, last game I did play quietly through other people, because I had something to hide. Now I don't, so I'm playing actively and coming for you directly. This is the benefit of getting an expendable role.
All roles are expendable, so no, your thoughts don't apply. You can't just say "oh my role doesn't matter" and have your actions not be held against you. As per my coincidental conversation with aristocrat...
[12:38:46 AM] 明智 光秀: If the game was actually jacked up due to Lanth being a douchebag, I would've reset it
[12:38:59 AM] 明智 光秀: However, I chose not to, because he needs to take responsibility for his own actions
[12:39:11 AM] 明智 光秀: and it is still perfectly winnable for any of the three sides
[12:39:20 AM] Tella Lie: winnable, yes, but not playable as intended
[12:39:41 AM] Tella Lie: game was intended to have whatever role he had
[12:39:48 AM] Tella Lie: ekspert hacker or otherwise
[12:40:09 AM] 明智 光秀: The game is still quite playable as intended
[12:40:29 AM] Tella Lie: i find demon's guest appearance quite humorous
[12:40:44 AM] 明智 光秀: Assuming Lanth is indeed an Expert Hacker who killed himself day 1, this is equivalent to mafia killing him day 1 by a lucky hit
[12:40:52 AM] 明智 光秀: the game wouldn't be jacked up in that case
[12:41:03 AM] 明智 光秀: although it would be more difficult for town
[12:41:14 AM] Tella Lie: it's definitely a possible occurance
[12:41:16 AM] 明智 光秀: This mafia setup is designed with a large margin of error
Once again dispersing information that is actually false to help substantiate your claims.
I vote No Lynch
I vote No LynchEdit: After going to this thread and reading my post, azrael immediately went to his PMs and was "Online: Is composing or reading a private message."
Be careful with what he's saying if he messages you. He's going to do anything to try and get himself out of this situation.
Edit2:Take note of this ekschange.
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So what you're basically saying is that he's guilty regardless of how he plays, shows up post-lynch, etc? Because I remember the time you pulled this crap on me. I literally had no idea there was a countdown at all, and poof! I was mafiazors.
So what you're basically saying is that he's guilty regardless of how he plays, shows up post-lynch, etc? Because I remember the time you pulled this crap on me. I literally had no idea there was a countdown at all, and poof! I was mafiazors.
So what you're literally saying is that you're blatantly defending someone who is obvious scum. He was fully aware there was a countdown. The conversation was taking place in real-time.
Stop putting words into my mouth and being so quick to point the finger at others. Was he as aware as I was, or was he actually responding relatively quickly to your shouts?
As for getting the investigation on TiKels, I know who the/a investigator is, and I can guarantee (unless he happens to get hit) that you'll get your investigation on TiKels. Until then, I have nothing more to say to you.As for getting the investigation on TiKels, I know who the/a investigator is, and I can guarantee (unless he happens to get hit) that you'll get your investigation on TiKels.
Perfect, please proxy the result publicly after the next night ends. I'll get someone to visit you to prevent you from being hit in the meantime.
Also, to any Programmers, if you didn't catch it earlier: Raitaki is infected.
Operating under the assumption this is true, he will become Null unless he is healed. One programmer needs to protect him, while another one synthesizes a Metatag to use on him.
If you trust that he's legitimately Town, you can hub through him to have him direct your actions (so there aren't two people protecting him and no one creating a Metatag, for example).
Azrael directly avoided the question because he knows that it can only incriminate him. He has used this strategy before (I didn't know this, thanks poison) and is now avoiding any commentary because of how incriminating it is.
Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Oct 9 2012, 5:34 pm by TiKels.
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