With both the Encoder and Researcher in mafia hands it was pretty much hopeless, even if one of us had figured out what was going on.

I am beginning to question these power roles.

Neither was a killing role, and mafia only had four members. Town succeeded in killing zero of them, despite holding a vote majority for most of the game and having the ability to cockblock Kame from killing people just by visiting each other or sending in Architect actions.

GG everyone. Looking back, I can only say the same things I said at the beginning: unknown roles suck and the town is a bunch of sheep. However, the voter manipulation that I thought would be a problem was not, mainly due to the fact that people sheeped on bandwagons so much.

Along with fucking with a bunch of people, I messaged GeneralPie and Fire_Kame at the very beginning saying I knew they were both mafia and that we should join together in victory. Unfortunately, they promptly ignored me.

GG everyone, looking forward to classic mafia!

And town was definitely at a big disadvantage having their encoder be the infiltrator and the whole Lanthanide ordeal.... But I mean they still could've won.

Technically, I requested whatever role you thought was the most insignificant or unimportant.


In case you didn't see it (added highlighting in green), I called out both Azrael and Raitaki on the first couple nights! And Raccoon after he turned Null!

The reason Raitaki's name isn't complete, in case you're wondering, is because my character had a memory problem, so even his subconscious couldn't fully remember the name. I don't know why he had a memory problem; it was just fun to write.

Another fun fact: I allied up with Raccoon and we took Raitaki in soon afterwards. Our initial objective was to kill Fire_Kame, but no one would cooperate with us. My own agenda was to infect both of them but Raitaki squealed.

Yea... if Rai didn't squeal, null might have actually had a chance of victory. I feel like null were extremely out of place here. They only hurt the town's chance of victory pretty much. Now, if a null apocalypse had actually happened, I'm not sure how the game would've ended up. I think maybe a buff to the null could be that if two null null'd a mafia, the mafia died immediately, instead of waiting another night. Thinking about plain null versus mafia situations, mafia would probably win because they can control the day votes and the null would most likely continuously be nulling themselves.

The interesting thing is that the Zombies were instantly stopped in Azrael's game as well, even though they have such a good chance of causing widespread infection. I saw the fight as hopeless had TiKels been innocent, and I would have probably just started working with Null.

I'd like to nominate Az for MVP... After all, he orchestrated everything from the start. (the only thing I did was pick a scenario choice he lined out in the beginning)

lol, at first I thought lil and Coon were talking really like Null was among them, but I shrugged it off on the possibility of me being a paranoid ass

Also, here's a handy guide for future games (100% accurate thus far):

Well, okay, time for a long drawn out post with my opinions.

First off, the players. I should start with Lanthanide. Really dude? You're going to throw a fit over something because you weren't paying attention? This isn't kindergarten, it's no longer funny or witty for you to speak up when no one else cares. You ended the game at least a day early, partially much more than that. Secondly, my initial reaction when I saw the mafia drawn as Az/Me/GeneralPie was that the roles weren't chosen accidentally and that Aristocrat wanted us to flail wildly. Luckily Azrael developed a keen strategy, and as I'm still learning the ropes of mafia I gladly obliged. Roy I'll be honest, even if I were town I'd find the posts you made on this last day to be incredibly shady. It was too much information - or more realistically - too many words, and each post seemed to be contradicting itself. I should also mention, it was my idea for Wing Zero's death to emulate the Stampede death from Lion King, and to replace his last will with "All Hail the lion King." I was really mocking town at that point, but I'm glad it served as some sort of misdirect.

The host. Aristocrat made several glaring errors throughout the game, most dealing with using /r instead of /w [target] in the shoutbox, some of which was easily remedied. I'll admit when Raccoon targeted Pie and I, I had thought that Aristocrat had told him (ergo "Aristocrat wants us to flail wildly"). One of his /r accidents actually greatly benefited us. Otherwise I thought the game was hosted well, and I greatly appreciate Aristocrat speeding up the game to twenty four hours after a certain point. It helped ensure the game would be completed (as apparently this was a past problem). Although I complained about the thread not being updated on time it wasn't truly a problem for me, and seriously it had nothing to do with me being mafia - I was just very very tired, and this week has been, like, the most stressful week ever.

Myself. I thought trying to play it off that I was town would be hard. In Lil's game I posted frequently - too frequently, really. I'd make wild accusations, ask a lot of questions, and generally acted like a noob. I tried to do that in this game while trying to fly beneath the radar. Last game, Roy asked me on the second day what my role was. No one ever questioned my role in this game. I thought that was strange, but I have never played mafia. As such I think the fact that I'm still a somewhat obscured player made it easier for me to slide by. Also my job felt very easy - I almost thought it was that mafia was overpowered, but according to the end posts it looks like Lanth dying complicated the game significantly, as did inactivity.

Roles. This has been a major complaint of mine, and why it had taken me so long to get into Mafia. The roles were entirely too complicated. What's the point of having so many different abilities that in order to balance these abilities you have to give everyone else some sort of abilities? That never seems fun to me, and apparently it doesn't even do much in player retention. Even if you had left the days and night cycles at forty eight hours that still would've been only twenty days to understand, internalize and efficiently use all roles. Not doing so meant death for your side. It just boggles my mind and seems ridiculous.

Clues. The only person that interpreted clues against me was Raccoon - and according to the post on the last page it looks like those clues weren't even intentional? When Raccoon contacted me so early in the game I was upset, as was my mafia brethren. Aristocrat ensured us that it wasn't his doing that Raccoon found out about Pie and I, that Raccoon had perfectly sound reasoning that we were promised at the end of the game, which I am ready for. I don't see it on the last page. The clues Raccoon brought up - constant talk of swiftness and agility - left me feeling singled out. (For those that don't know, my avatar is of a meme called Speedy Cat. I requested to Aristocrat that I make suggestions as to how I 'kill' my victims. He agrees to take into consideration what I have to say, on the principal that Azrael doesn't intentionally use them for false clues. Azrael complies, and I can post my suggested kill methods for anyone to see, if you'd like. As it turns out no one looked too deeply at the clues or kill methods beyond Raccoon, so it was for not. Hence, the cliff scene at the end. >:3 Not only were the clues useless, it also made the game less fun for me. According to the past post, too, it looked like clues weren't used consistently enough to hold any weight anyways, so why even have them?

Lastly, and almost as important as the clues post, I want to bring up the disturbing and irritating behavior of Raccoon. Once he had "figured out" I was mafia, he sent a PM to Pie and I. Pie ignored right away, but I like to pick fights, so I kept egging him on, denying anything, that sort of thing. When he indited me it wasn't any surprise that no one really sided with him. He was a little abrasive. What really pissed me right off was that after he died he continued to bother me, right up until day four, about my role.

@My teammates, congratulations on a game well played


It adds depth to the gameplay by creating many branching layers in game progression and in considering strategic viability.

It's much more fun, to me, to have a well-balanced game where every role can potentially be a game-changer if played well, than to have a game where it's only balanced because everyone is completely equal through blandness.


I'm also ready for this. He PMed both Kame and General in the same PM at the beginning of the game, saying he knew they were Mafia. At the same time, he whispered me, saying he knew my identity as well, and asking me what the Megamass Researcher's powers were.

At that time, Raccoon also said to me "Researcher can manipulate last wills" before anyone had even had a last will posted. It wasn't one random guess of many, it was a single definitive statement which he refused to elaborate on.

Aristocrat said he thought Raccoon had a good reason for these behaviors.

I'd like to hear that reasoning from either of you.

So many roles or abilities just reeks of "everyone's a winner! " and I feel like that detracts from the game significantly.

It's more like "everyone has the potential to be a winner, but only one side can win".

As this game demonstrated, everyone is not a winner.

http://www.staredit.net/?p=shoutbox&view=1829

I'm not entirely sure what you're even trying to say here because it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Regardless, let me know how you would react when you end up in a game you don't want to play (and didn't have time to play), with a very powerful role that you know will severely hurt one faction in the game if you choose to quit the game (that you never intended to join in the first place).

I played to the end, and won.

Like you I clicked it, but I clicked it because I was a troll and it felt wrong to ignore. When I was included in the game I was like, eh, my fault, and so I continued without throwing a big fit. And won.

Yay for you?

If you didn't want a response, why did you ask?

Your response is unconvincing, since you already posted in the thread indicating that you were thinking about playing. I hadn't so much as read the first post, except to see it was all power-roles and anime-related gibberish, in addition to the whole lack of time thing.

I figured that the host of a mafia game would actually be interested in making sure it was as fun as possible for all participants and would therefore treat the situation I found myself in with some modicum of common sense; looks like I was wrong. The only alternative was for me to remain idle all game.