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[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am]

Excalibur -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: Excalibur ok, well choose to learn nothing from this experience, then. your choice

I don't think thats a fair statement. If in all the history of SEN no staff member has ever had to make such a distinction that I can recall, why now must one be made?

[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am]

Lanthanide -- beats me

[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am]

LoveLess -- CaptainWill

CaptainWill shouted: So... is it the community around TS that people object to?

Pretty much. They were not constructive people.

[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am]

Dem0n -- TS is dead as shit, SC is almost dead, ain't no TS wave of douchebags coming back to ruin SEN

[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am]

Dem0n -- Why are we even talking about this LMAO

[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am]

Lanthanide -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Lanthanide I don't think there's a distinction, I have never seen any staff member make such a distinction when making a post either. If we are true to ourselves in our actions I can't see a time where I might say one thing as staff and one thing as not.

ok, well choose to learn nothing from this experience, then. your choice

[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am]

CaptainWill -- So... is it the community around TS that people object to?

[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am]

Excalibur -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: Excalibur then this is a learning opportunity for you, to realise that you need to take into account other people's perceptions of you when you speak on a subject like this where you have "history". You should have started your post by saying something like "I make the following post as a member of SEN, rather than as a moderator"

I don't think there's a distinction, I have never seen any staff member make such a distinction when making a post either. If we are true to ourselves in our actions I can't see a time where I might say one thing as staff and one thing as not.

[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am]

Moose -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: you can get Cecil really riled up by anything, and then it turns out he doesn't even know what he's talking about

Yeah, he really just hates shitty programmers and blames OOP for it, then admits so and goes back to arguing about OOP. Classic SEN meme. LMAO

[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am]

LoveLess -- so sure, i am biased. As are you, uu, and everyone else for TS. We are all biased here. :derp:

[2017-5-15. : 12:00 am]

Dem0n -- shoutbox color variation looking good AF right now O_O

[2017-5-15. : 12:00 am]

Broflamingo -- LoveLess

LoveLess shouted: I have said it before and will say it again, you guys came to everyone else's channels not asking people to play, but pretty much calling them pussies if they did not play. Then if we moved elsewhere, you all followed. It was extremely annoying to deal with, but since all you guys cared about was getting a full game and stroke your e-peen, lol who cares right.

8 years ago, you called us cunts literally less than 2 weeks ago. Sorry man, it doesn't fly.

[2017-5-15. : 12:00 am]

Zoan -- Lets make a TS designed specifically for #x4 speed

[2017-5-14. : 11:59 pm]

Lanthanide -- you can get Cecil really riled up by anything, and then it turns out he doesn't even know what he's talking about

[2017-5-14. : 11:59 pm]

LoveLess -- I have said it before and will say it again, you guys came to everyone else's channels not asking people to play, but pretty much calling them pussies if they did not play. Then if we moved elsewhere, you all followed. It was extremely annoying to deal with, but since all you guys cared about was getting a full game and stroke your e-peen, lol who cares right.

[2017-5-14. : 11:59 pm]

Broflamingo -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Lanthanide I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. Broflamingo That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first.

Broflamingo

Broflamingo shouted: LoveLess See loveless of course, I know your motives too. When we were in a TS game you labeled our channel "Temple Siege cunts" you are barely impartial yourself.

Now Ex, when a guy is calling you "Temple Siege Cunts" right to your face on B.net then agrees with you. Understand the perception, and the irony here is TS community was supposed to be toxic.

[2017-5-14. : 11:58 pm]

Lanthanide -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Lanthanide Of course, but I don't believe that that's the case. I believe I'm right in what I said and that I had a right to say it.

then this is a learning opportunity for you, to realise that you need to take into account other people's perceptions of you when you speak on a subject like this where you have "history". You should have started your post by saying something like "I make the following post as a member of SEN, rather than as a moderator"

[2017-5-14. : 11:58 pm]

Moose -- CaptainWill

CaptainWill shouted: Tabs vs spaces sounds like a coding debate...

When Cecil is around, you can get him really riled up about OOP, too.

[2017-5-14. : 11:57 pm]

CaptainWill -- Tabs vs spaces sounds like a coding debate...

[2017-5-14. : 11:57 pm]

Broflamingo -- LoveLess

LoveLess shouted: Then broflamingo came out paraphrasing ex's post into "I HATE TEMPLE SIEGE ." which is to me a display of what ex is scared of

See loveless of course, I know your motives too. When we were in a TS game you labeled our channel "Temple Siege cunts" you are barely impartial yourself.

[2017-5-14. : 11:56 pm]

Moose -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: Excalibur you might feel that it has no bearing on you voicing that opinion, but others don't perceive it that way, at all. UU's reply makes that abundantly obvious. you know it is ok to admit that you're wrong and you made a mistake, right?

NO!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WILL JUDGE ME FOR YEARS TO COME _{(because this is a thing that I do, too)}!!!! Sorry if that went too far. LMAO

[2017-5-14. : 11:56 pm]

Excalibur -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: Excalibur you might feel that it has no bearing on you voicing that opinion, but others don't perceive it that way, at all. UU's reply makes that abundantly obvious. you know it is ok to admit that you're wrong and you made a mistake, right?

Of course, but I don't believe that that's the case. I believe I'm right in what I said and that I had a right to say it.

[2017-5-14. : 11:56 pm]

Lanthanide -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: LoveLess I object to the word scared but I am disappointed that no one wants to properly address what I'm saying, just why they think I'm saying it.

I already did address what you're saying, so don't say "no one"

[2017-5-14. : 11:55 pm]

Excalibur -- LoveLess

LoveLess shouted: Then broflamingo came out paraphrasing ex's post into "I HATE TEMPLE SIEGE ." which is to me a display of what ex is scared of

I object to the word scared but I am disappointed that no one wants to properly address what I'm saying, just why they think I'm saying it.

[2017-5-14. : 11:55 pm]

Lanthanide -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Lanthanide I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. Broflamingo That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first.

you might feel that it has no bearing on you voicing that opinion, but others don't perceive it that way, at all. UU's reply makes that abundantly obvious. you know it is ok to admit that you're wrong and you made a mistake, right?

[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm]

Broflamingo -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Lanthanide I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. Broflamingo That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first.

Ex, it means reading motives or the person. What i saw was rash post without thinking about the consequences and peoples feelings.

[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm]

NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Lanthanide Is this a good time to suggest that a "mod hat" feature of some type that flags a post as being spoken by staff in an official capacity would be a neat feature?

I would absolutely love that. I often would like to say things I can't/shouldn't. And sometimes I do it anyway.

[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm]

Voyager7456 -- Oh shit, it's CaptainWill

[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm]

Moose -- CaptainWill

CaptainWill shouted: I've not seen this much drama on SEN since OSMap.

Wait until we start up tabs vs spaces!

[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm]

LoveLess -- Then broflamingo came out paraphrasing ex's post into "I HATE TEMPLE SIEGE ." which is to me a display of what ex is scared of

[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm]

Excalibur -- Greetings Captain.

[2017-5-14. : 11:53 pm]

Moose -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I think it's pointless. Even if they don't put a mod hat on, it still carries their weight. Like Trump's tweets

Yeah, you right you right.

[2017-5-14. : 11:53 pm]

Broflamingo -- LoveLess

LoveLess shouted: I am just kind of against people using SEN in the name of TS. "and by proxy SEN great again" "I want SEN's name on it to help the TS community but to also bring more talent, bodies, and interest into SEN itself"

I do, i think it can be a win win. Especially since time can heal old wounds. TS is becoming popular again and I really want SEN to be the HUB of UMS. With Remaster we can position ourselves as THE place for mapmaking activity and UMS.

[2017-5-14. : 11:53 pm]

CaptainWill -- I've not seen this much drama on SEN since OSMap.

[2017-5-14. : 11:53 pm]

Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Lanthanide Is this a good time to suggest that a "mod hat" feature of some type that flags a post as being spoken by staff in an official capacity would be a neat feature?

I think it's pointless. Even if they don't put a mod hat on, it still carries their weight. Like Trump's tweets

[2017-5-14. : 11:52 pm]

Excalibur -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: Excalibur you were acting in your capacity of a moderator, by saying "this map previously bought bad people to SEN that caused moderators like me a lot of trouble. i remember it, even if you don't, and I don't want those people back"

I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. Broflamingo

Broflamingo shouted: Excalibur Not implying that, I actually said you did this out of being emotionally rash.

That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first.

[2017-5-14. : 11:51 pm]

LoveLess -- I am just kind of against people using SEN in the name of TS. "and by proxy SEN great again" "I want SEN's name on it to help the TS community but to also bring more talent, bodies, and interest into SEN itself"

[2017-5-14. : 11:51 pm]

Moose -- Lanthanide

Lanthanide shouted: Excalibur you were acting in your capacity of a moderator, by saying "this map previously bought bad people to SEN that caused moderators like me a lot of trouble. i remember it, even if you don't, and I don't want those people back"

Is this a good time to suggest that a "mod hat" feature of some type that flags a post as being spoken by staff in an official capacity would be a neat feature?

[2017-5-14. : 11:51 pm]

Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: It just feels like TS potentially becoming toxic a second time is a topic that's appropriate for the staff to discuss among themselves if and when it happens.

100% Agree with this, I already thought Moose was pretty much doing this anyways.

[2017-5-14. : 11:50 pm]

Broflamingo -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Broflamingo There is no 'cover', there is no falseness or pretense. Stop implying I'm being dishonest.

Not implying that, I actually said you did this out of being emotionally rash.

[2017-5-14. : 11:50 pm]

Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: It just feels like TS potentially becoming toxic a second time is a topic that's appropriate for the staff to discuss among themselves if and when it happens.

totally

[2017-5-14. : 11:50 pm]

Lanthanide -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Broflamingo There is no 'cover', there is no falseness or pretense. Stop implying I'm being dishonest.

you were acting in your capacity of a moderator, by saying "this map previously bought bad people to SEN that caused moderators like me a lot of trouble. i remember it, even if you don't, and I don't want those people back"

[2017-5-14. : 11:49 pm]

Moose -- It just feels like TS potentially becoming toxic a second time is a topic that's appropriate for the staff to discuss among themselves if and when it happens.

[2017-5-14. : 11:48 pm]

Zoan -- My dreams of being a paid mapmaker have been dashed though

[2017-5-14. : 11:48 pm]

Excalibur -- Broflamingo

Broflamingo shouted: NudeRaider Nude thats the problem , his post wasn't about a proper debate look how he started it. He wasn't even impartial it was knocking other peoples passion with the cover of "im protecting SEN", in a map project thread no less asking for help.

There is no 'cover', there is no falseness or pretense. Stop implying I'm being dishonest.

[2017-5-14. : 11:47 pm]

Broflamingo -- NudeRaider

NudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I already conceded that it's understandable to interpret it as sarcasm? I went on, however, to show why, if you're interested in proper debate, you can see why this wasn't sarcasm.

Nude thats the problem , his post wasn't about a proper debate look how he started it. He wasn't even impartial it was knocking other peoples passion with the cover of "im protecting SEN", in a map project thread no less asking for help.

[2017-5-14. : 11:46 pm]

Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider Hello, creator of <your project>, I'm a global moderator. I think <your project> will be detrimental to this website and bring in bad people. But I don't disapprove of you working on it! Don't you ever imply it could be beneficial to SEN. That's all, thanks, please continue working on <your project>, which I think will be bad for SEN.

truth

[2017-5-14. : 11:46 pm]

Moose -- Not that whether or not TS can, can't, will, or will not be a benefit for SEN (even if you have to filter some shit) is really a provable hypothesis, so I'm getting ready to break out Newton's Flaming Laser Sword on this one.

[2017-5-14. : 11:45 pm]

NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider Hello, creator of <your project>, I'm a global moderator. I think <your project> will be detrimental to this website and bring in bad people. But I don't disapprove of you working on it! Don't you ever imply it could be beneficial to SEN. That's all, thanks, please continue working on <your project>, which I think will be bad for SEN.

I already conceded that it's understandable to interpret it as sarcasm? I went on, however, to show why, if you're interested in proper debate, you can see why this wasn't sarcasm.

[2017-5-14. : 11:44 pm]

Broflamingo -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Mini Moose 2707 Nice meme, but present it fairly: The map has already brought in largely problematic people. I had reason to be concerned, as should we all be.

Thats false because you chose to do it. Again everything is contextual when i came back Im sure moose was watching for Old Maxx behavior, or Extreme TS toxicity. There was none, so why even bring it up?

[2017-5-14. : 11:44 pm]

Moose -- Zoan

Zoan shouted: Are we even talking about map making anymore lmao

I don't think it was ever about map making LMAO

[2017-5-14. : 11:43 pm]

Excalibur -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider Hello, creator of <your project>, I'm a global moderator. I think <your project> will be detrimental to this website and bring in bad people. But I don't disapprove of you working on it! Don't you ever imply it could be beneficial to SEN. That's all, thanks, please continue working on <your project>, which I think will be bad for SEN.

Nice meme, but present it fairly: The map has already brought in largely problematic people. I had reason to be concerned, as should we all be.

[2017-5-14. : 11:43 pm]

Zoan -- Are we even talking about map making anymore lmao

[2017-5-14. : 11:42 pm]

Moose -- NudeRaider

NudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 ... I don't follow. The words say "I wish you luck" - Inf said "Ex wants him to not work on TS".

Hello, creator of <your project>, I'm a global moderator. I think <your project> will be detrimental to this website and bring in bad people. But I don't disapprove of you working on it! Don't you ever imply it could be beneficial to SEN. That's all, thanks, please continue working on <your project>, which I think will be bad for SEN.

[2017-5-14. : 11:41 pm]

Broflamingo -- NudeRaider

NudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 ... I don't follow. The words say "I wish you luck" - Inf said "Ex wants him to not work on TS".

Translation: Screw you, and your community, i hate temple siege. Good luck anyways.

[2017-5-14. : 11:39 pm]

NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider No, there is no misrepresentation because that's the text of the post. It's what the words say.

... I don't follow. The words say "I wish you luck" - Inf said "Ex wants him to not work on TS".

[2017-5-14. : 11:38 pm]

Lanthanide -- NudeRaider

NudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide Strawman. And in this case Ex is correct. People are misrepresenting what he said. For example lil-inf: He argued that Ex is trying to stop people from mapping, when in Fact he said the opposite. It's UNDERSTANDABLE that, because of Ex's tone, people thought his remark "have at it" is meant sarcastically. But if you look at it closer you realize he said it because he was upset.

that's not a strawman at all, it's a logical conclusion

[2017-5-14. : 11:36 pm]

Moose -- NudeRaider

NudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I thought I elaborated on what was misrepresented and why. Any questions about something in particular?

No, there is no misrepresentation because that's the text of the post. It's what the words say.

[2017-5-14. : 11:35 pm]

NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider What's to misrepresent? He told him straight up never to even imply that TS could be a positive for SEN. If some random did that in a production or assistance thread for another map, I'd like to think our mods would bop that in a heartbeat.

I thought I elaborated on what was misrepresented and why. Any questions about something in particular?

[2017-5-14. : 11:35 pm]

Moose -- lil-Inferno

lil-Inferno shouted: tbh, just bop repeat offenders and keep the good people, same as always

Yup, what

suggested if they act up: Voyager7456

Voyager7456 shouted: Swampfox then they'll get the bop, problem solved

[2017-5-14. : 11:34 pm]

lil-Inferno -- tbh, just bop repeat offenders and keep the good people, same as always

[2017-5-14. : 11:32 pm]

Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707

Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider What's to misrepresent? He told him straight up never to even imply that TS could be a positive for SEN. If some random did that in a production or assistance thread for another map, I'd like to think our mods would bop that in a heartbeat.

<---think moose indirectly alluded to my point, you are a Mod and have influence and power. This optics of this are terrible for you.

[2017-5-14. : 11:31 pm]

Excalibur -- If "that guy" in this context happens to be the person considering SEN's well-being first then I hope to always be that guy. .-.

[2017-5-14. : 11:30 pm]

Broflamingo -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: lil-Inferno Have any of these maps resulted in an influx of members the majority of whom were banned for flaming and arguing with staff about their conduct? I believe the answer is no, so I don't think thats as serious.

And its not a shot at you because, I used to argue and tout my right to argue. But thats not a good way to win support from anyone, generally leaves you isolated or pushes people away.

[2017-5-14. : 11:29 pm]

Broflamingo -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: lil-Inferno Have any of these maps resulted in an influx of members the majority of whom were banned for flaming and arguing with staff about their conduct? I believe the answer is no, so I don't think thats as serious.

You opened a can of worms that wasn't productive, had negativity associated with it. At a minimum alot of SEN'ers did question why post that in the thread. Or maybe have Moose convey that message. Arguments, especially about old and petty shit, are not sexy , productive, and lead to divisiveness. Nobody likes arguments except our girlfriends, thats it.

[2017-5-14. : 11:26 pm]

Broflamingo -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: lil-Inferno Have any of these maps resulted in an influx of members the majority of whom were banned for flaming and arguing with staff about their conduct? I believe the answer is no, so I don't think thats as serious.

The best way to put it to you, in this context EX is like. There is always that "one guy" at the party or social gathering. You never wanna be "That guy".

[2017-5-14. : 11:24 pm]

Excalibur -- lil-Inferno

lil-Inferno shouted: Excalibur Do you want anyone who shits out a map to argue that their map will be a net benefit to SEN? Cuz there are plenty of maps advertising SEN that are really shitty LMAO

Have any of these maps resulted in an influx of members the majority of whom were banned for flaming and arguing with staff about their conduct? I believe the answer is no, so I don't think thats as serious.

[2017-5-14. : 11:24 pm]

Moose -- lil-Inferno

lil-Inferno shouted: Excalibur Do you want anyone who shits out a map to argue that their map will be a net benefit to SEN? Cuz there are plenty of maps advertising SEN that are really shitty LMAO

But did those maps bring in trash talkers eight years ago? O_________O

[2017-5-14. : 11:23 pm]

lil-Inferno -- Excalibur

Excalibur shouted: Mini Moose 2707 Argue that TS could be beneficial to SEN, have a net gain impact, and that it won't be a repeat of last time. Several people have already presented points he could make as part of that argument.

Do you want anyone who shits out a map to argue that their map will be a net benefit to SEN? Cuz there are plenty of maps advertising SEN that are really shitty LMAO

[2017-5-14. : 11:23 pm]

Excalibur -- So I think associating SEN and TS could be a bad thing for SEN. Because SEN is important, I think that issue is important. More important than a shoutbox argument. Important enough to warrant a post and say hey, you, OP, and all the other SENners here, I have something to say.