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[2017-5-25. : 12:12 pm] Iceman166 -- Once again, have you actually read the description of the fallacy on that page or any others? It literally says all that is required is to propose that an argument is fallacious, that is the fallacy in itself. You are making up things.[2017-5-25. : 12:09 pm] Iceman166 -- You can say what you want, but the fact of the matter is "People who call out "FALLACY!!" than do the proverbial mic drop with no desire to make any type of contribution, makes this rejection quite explicit." supports my argument and not yours[2017-5-25. : 11:58 am]  jjf28 -- I'd agree that the bar is not so high that they have to explicitly relate the faulty argument to the opposite conclusion, but there has to at least by an implied relationship https://puu.sh/w0DRl/de4e1c9aaa.png[2017-5-25. : 11:55 am] jjf28 -- Iceman166Iceman166 shouted: jjf28 Not at all. The word 'rejected' is used not 'someone would have to have said a conclusion is wrong'. The threshold to satisfy is much much lower. Now you are making up things. Iceman166Iceman166 shouted: jjf28 And yes, it does apply to what you mentioned. That’s literally the whole point of it. no, the point of it is you can't use the fact that an argument is faulty to arrive at the opposite conclusion - that is the whole point of the fallacy fallacy[2017-5-25. : 11:54 am]  Moose -- Iceman166Iceman166 shouted: jjf28 People who call out "FALLACY!!" than do the proverbial mic drop with no desire to make any type of contribution, makes this rejection quite explicit. You ignored the "have provided a case of their own" in jjf's quote.[2017-5-25. : 11:45 am] Iceman166 -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Iceman166 Iceman166 Iceman166 ihjel Broflamingo no one pointed out anyone actually committing this fallacy, smh; it doesn't really apply to recent conversations as someone would have to have said a conclusion is wrong because the argument is faulty, it doesn't apply to people who point out that a conclusion has not been adequately supported, nor to people who call a conclusion wrong, cite fallacies in an opposing argument, and have provided a case of their own, nor to people who call fallacies as they see 'em People who call out "FALLACY!!" than do the proverbial mic drop with no desire to make any type of contribution, makes this rejection quite explicit. [2017-5-25. : 11:45 am] Iceman166 -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Iceman166 Iceman166 Iceman166 ihjel Broflamingo no one pointed out anyone actually committing this fallacy, smh; it doesn't really apply to recent conversations as someone would have to have said a conclusion is wrong because the argument is faulty, it doesn't apply to people who point out that a conclusion has not been adequately supported, nor to people who call a conclusion wrong, cite fallacies in an opposing argument, and have provided a case of their own, nor to people who call fallacies as they see 'em And yes, it does apply to what you mentioned. That’s literally the whole point of it.[2017-5-25. : 11:44 am] Iceman166 -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Iceman166 Iceman166 Iceman166 ihjel Broflamingo no one pointed out anyone actually committing this fallacy, smh; it doesn't really apply to recent conversations as someone would have to have said a conclusion is wrong because the argument is faulty, it doesn't apply to people who point out that a conclusion has not been adequately supported, nor to people who call a conclusion wrong, cite fallacies in an opposing argument, and have provided a case of their own, nor to people who call fallacies as they see 'em Not at all. The word 'rejected' is used not 'someone would have to have said a conclusion is wrong'. The threshold to satisfy is much much lower. Now you are making up things.[2017-5-25. : 9:33 am] rockz -- I use bleach to clean plastic bottles. I use ammonia to clean beer bottles. Usually rinse thoroughly after both though.[2017-5-25. : 6:46 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: The pot was bleached because it removes awful stains from when I burn food that seems excessive[2017-5-25. : 3:09 am] Vrael -- if you put enough bleach in 1 glass of water and drink it nothing else will taste[2017-5-25. : 2:59 am] jjf28 -- read that a few weeks ago when my water started tasting crappy, sounded pretty sketchy so I opted for boiling[2017-5-25. : 2:57 am]  TiKels -- The pot was bleached because it removes awful stains from when I burn food[2017-5-25. : 2:57 am] TiKels -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: my chem mem is you scrub under running water to get rid of caustics, or use a less-caustic material with the opposite PH to clean off the more caustic material lol. Immediate red flag[2017-5-25. : 2:51 am] jjf28 -- but at that point you're getting a mongoose to clean up the snakes that cleaned up the mice[2017-5-25. : 2:47 am] jjf28 -- maybe if you keep it cold enough and scrub it with a banana you could get salt  [2017-5-25. : 2:18 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- should I go blast like chainsaw gutsfuk outside in protest?[2017-5-25. : 2:17 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- why do my neighbors keep blasting soft rock outside? D:[2017-5-25. : 2:14 am] jjf28 -- if you have any old school supplies a litmus strip would tell you if the bleach is still there[2017-5-25. : 2:13 am] jjf28 -- my chem mem is you scrub under running water to get rid of caustics, or use a less-caustic material with the opposite PH to clean off the more caustic material[2017-5-25. : 2:11 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I'm pretty sure bleach will just sort of go away after a while[2017-5-25. : 2:09 am] TiKels -- If I bleached a ceramic pan, how do I make sure the bleach is out? Heat? Sunlight? Drying? Can't find any damn resources[2017-5-25. : 1:53 am] jjf28 -- if we really had to we could go up a level, run it in a VM, and debug the VM[2017-5-25. : 1:52 am] jjf28 -- I'd guess if you have to root around in security tokens it could detect that and crash itself, but attaching a debugger should freeze the process[2017-5-25. : 1:51 am] IskatuMesk -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: access is denied to my own user folder? what is windows 10 even this is actually one of the few things that isn't just a windows 10 problem lol[2017-5-25. : 1:26 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- one time I mentioned UNIX to my mom and she thought I was talking about eunuchs[2017-5-25. : 1:23 am] Moose -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: access is denied to my own user folder? what is windows 10 even find ~ -type d | xargs chmod u+rwx; find ~ -type f | xargs chmod u+rw[2017-5-25. : 1:17 am] Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Broflamingo Wait, historical accounts ... so you're saying there is evidence and examples that would back up your side of the argument?? Yea, I can delve into all that stuff, and bring it up. But i've seen that (his) argument a million times before. I don't feel like rehashing that shit (which probably means I should shut the fuck up).[2017-5-25. : 1:16 am] jjf28 -- luckily I had an image, but still I have to restore the image, then do my flat backup, then actually get to clean install on the SSD  [2017-5-25. : 1:15 am] Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Broflamingo Wait, historical accounts ... so you're saying there is evidence and examples that would back up your side of the argument?? This here in lies the problems[2017-5-25. : 1:15 am] jjf28 -- windows' clean install tool runs without any confirmation after it finishes downloading >:( I assumed I'd be burning it to a disk then running and would have some reprieve to do a flat backup and all[2017-5-25. : 1:15 am] Moose -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Mini Moose 2707 Also in terms of political discussions/arguments, can't stress this enough: It's not just cold logic arguments, there are people, history, and contexts you are talking about. Many accounts of history have shown that argument may sound good, and nice and rational but those ideas/statements/outlooks have been used people to push oppressive agendas since forever. Wait, historical accounts ... so you're saying there is evidence and examples that would back up your side of the argument??[2017-5-25. : 1:06 am] jjf28 -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: because everyone here gets triggered AF and thinks other people want to listen to them bitch LMAO me thinks you've been triggered  [2017-5-25. : 1:04 am] Dem0n -- because everyone here gets triggered AF and thinks other people want to listen to them bitch LMAO[2017-5-25. : 1:01 am] jjf28 -- though perhaps you were referring to a specific argument rather than argumentation in general, in which case I'll pull a Cecil and say make what you think his argument is explicit [2017-5-25. : 12:59 am] jjf28 -- Would you agree that there are only three forms of persuasion? Persuading based on your perceived credibility (Ethos), persuading using emotions (Pathos), and persuading by providing some rational merit (Logos)? I would say Logos/logic is the hardest path to use to push an oppressive agenda[2017-5-25. : 12:55 am] Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I haven't said anything about the truth value of anything that anyone argued. And that point is even more acute in American politics.[2017-5-25. : 12:52 am] Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I haven't said anything about the truth value of anything that anyone argued. Also in terms of political discussions/arguments, can't stress this enough: It's not just cold logic arguments, there are people, history, and contexts you are talking about. Many accounts of history have shown that argument may sound good, and nice and rational but those ideas/statements/outlooks have been used people to push oppressive agendas since forever.[2017-5-25. : 12:48 am] Broflamingo -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I haven't said anything about the truth value of anything that anyone argued. Ya, but only two people have been accused of that. Its not hard to tell moose, not shade btw. Just MATHS.[2017-5-25. : 12:47 am] Moose -- I haven't said anything about the truth value of anything that anyone argued. |
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