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[2017-6-11. : 5:18 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Until an entire people stand on the same side of the fence on all social issues, there will always be outrage and vacuums from this outrage Agree. But it can't miss the fact this man, literally in every way, is the opposite of Barack Obama. TiKelsTiKels shouted: I don't know if this "same side of fence" would be good or bad, obtainable or not Shit I'd be happy with a general consensus[2017-6-11. : 5:17 pm]  TiKels -- I don't know if this "same side of fence" would be good or bad, obtainable or not[2017-6-11. : 5:17 pm] TiKels -- Until an entire people stand on the same side of the fence on all social issues, there will always be outrage and vacuums from this outrage[2017-6-11. : 5:16 pm] TiKels -- A politician may mold to this vacuum. Get enough people riled on one set of issues and suddenly there's a new vacuum for a politician to squeeze into[2017-6-11. : 5:15 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Broflamingo I think that trump is just an inevitability; i think he isn't an exception. I think trump was going to happen one day. A politician is not made from a man coming into power. A politician is made from the vacuum caused by social issues Deep, and you are mostly right. Both parties have become bankrupt.[2017-6-11. : 5:15 pm] TiKels -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: TiKels Forgive me if I sound cliche, but I think its an apt description: Trump is White Blacklash manifested and personified. I think that trump is just an inevitability; i think he isn't an exception. I think trump was going to happen one day. A politician is not made from a man coming into power. A politician is made from the vacuum caused by social issues[2017-6-11. : 5:14 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Why don't we just go ahead and call all social issues "racism" /s Poverty and Racism in the context of America are very closely linked. I think it is hard to seperate them, but I do agree.[2017-6-11. : 5:13 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Trump might not believe a word he says, and neither does any politician Forgive me if I sound cliche, but I think its an apt description: Trump is White Blacklash manifested and personified.[2017-6-11. : 5:11 pm] TiKels -- You have people arguing that institutionalized racism has nothing to do with race. It's more about poverty[2017-6-11. : 5:09 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Broflamingo you hear NY is changing that shit? Hot damn I did, I am proud of them. Not a fan of Mario Cuomo but i am impressed.[2017-6-11. : 5:08 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: TiKels I wanna get back to this. The language around racism is absurdly obtuse to the point that it is uneducateable I agree, in the sense that, its become a catchall is not productive at all. It's become a tired word TiKelsTiKels shouted: It is fair to have these ideas be RELATED, but to have them be the same word is horrid. I agree.[2017-6-11. : 5:08 pm] TiKels -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: TiKels laissez-faire economics pretty much, or close to it. Example: College education has now become a profit center. This is something that should be the outside of realm of profits, its a public good. Yet you have for profit colleges (mainly effects minortiies and low income) that force you practically into debt. And higher learning has just become bloated beyond belief. The bachelor degree has become the baseline now. you hear NY is changing that shit? Hot damn[2017-6-11. : 5:07 pm] TiKels -- It is fair to have these ideas be RELATED, but to have them be the same word is horrid.[2017-6-11. : 5:07 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: I'm sorry I don't understand. I don't know what you mean by toxic capitalism laissez-faire economics pretty much, or close to it. Example: College education has now become a profit center. This is something that should be the outside of realm of profits, its a public good. Yet you have for profit colleges (mainly effects minortiies and low income) that force you practically into debt. And higher learning has just become bloated beyond belief. The bachelor degree has become the baseline now.[2017-6-11. : 5:07 pm] TiKels -- "Racism" as a word can mean a harmful action done against someone due to prejudice... or the societal groove cut out by the nature of our institutions[2017-6-11. : 5:05 pm] TiKels -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: My absolute least favorite part about racism is the fact that the damn language surrounding the word is so poorly constructed. Everything is piled under one word I wanna get back to this. The language around racism is absurdly obtuse to the point that it is uneducateable[2017-6-11. : 5:03 pm] TiKels -- Trump might not believe a word he says, and neither does any politician[2017-6-11. : 5:02 pm] TiKels -- I'm starating to believe that politicians as an idea are just social kingpins. They are voted in based upon molding to their surroundings[2017-6-11. : 5:01 pm] TiKels -- I'm sorry I don't understand. I don't know what you mean by toxic capitalism[2017-6-11. : 5:01 pm] Broflamingo -- Mainly republicans but both parties are complicit. Man Bill Clinton third way democrats were toxic as fuck.[2017-6-11. : 4:59 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Regardless of everything, I think it would be nice to see everyone else's opinion and responses in a Controlled environment for the discussion agreed TiKelsTiKels shouted: Broflamingo would you mind making a topic in discussion so I don't have to use the shoutbox? Maybe i will in the future. But i want to say this: In the current political climate white americans are angry because that unspoken promise of white privileged that was promised to them is being eroded by toxic capitalism. White life expectancy dropped below African Americans last year because of the toxic capitalism/white privilege has destroyed middle america. Alot of the midwest/rust belt towns where factories closed are just opioid mills being sold a story that has been long gone since the 1980's.[2017-6-11. : 4:56 pm] TiKels -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Mini Moose 2707 Not in Italian. do you speak Italian, baby?[2017-6-11. : 4:55 pm] TiKels -- Regardless of everything, I think it would be nice to see everyone else's opinion and responses in a Controlled environment for the discussion[2017-6-11. : 4:54 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Broflamingo my first issue with your statement is a small semantic one that's making it difficult for me to understand your claim. You claim it "literally affects every facet of life" and then put the modifier "to some extent" it makes it sound like it could possibly not affect some things to a measurable extent. Can you demonstrate this claim or otherwise put evidence towards it? I'm genuinely curious 2nd: You will have to read on these things. A good primer is "The New Jim Crow" By Michelle Alexander, i believe she has a Ph.D.[2017-6-11. : 4:53 pm] TiKels -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: TiKels Understood. To clarify lets take african-americans some are born in abject poverty, lower class, middle class, upper class. While the more money you have will insulate you some from the effects of racism. All will be affected by it in someway in society. would you mind making a topic in discussion so I don't have to use the shoutbox?[2017-6-11. : 4:53 pm] TiKels -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: lil-Inferno That's one n, and the tilde is important LMAO Anno is latin for year. Anho is portugués for year[2017-6-11. : 4:52 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Broflamingo my first issue with your statement is a small semantic one that's making it difficult for me to understand your claim. You claim it "literally affects every facet of life" and then put the modifier "to some extent" it makes it sound like it could possibly not affect some things to a measurable extent. Can you demonstrate this claim or otherwise put evidence towards it? I'm genuinely curious Understood. To clarify lets take african-americans some are born in abject poverty, lower class, middle class, upper class. While the more money you have will insulate you some from the effects of racism. All will be affected by it in someway in society.[2017-6-11. : 4:52 pm]  lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: lil-Inferno That's one n, and the tilde is important LMAO Not in Italian.[2017-6-11. : 4:51 pm] TiKels -- It seems like hyperbole, rather than actually drawing a line with what the affect of all forms of racism is[2017-6-11. : 4:50 pm] TiKels -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: TiKels When talking about these issues people ask the wrong question. When Institutional racism/systemic racism literally affect every facet of life to some extent, its time to stop trying to fix things in isolation and look at the root cause. Meaning, you can fix say school choice, without actually addressing the racism that underlines it. my first issue with your statement is a small semantic one that's making it difficult for me to understand your claim. You claim it "literally affects every facet of life" and then put the modifier "to some extent" it makes it sound like it could possibly not affect some things to a measurable extent. Can you demonstrate this claim or otherwise put evidence towards it? I'm genuinely curious[2017-6-11. : 4:48 pm]  Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: You're making a year? C|X^ D That's one n, and the tilde is important LMAO[2017-6-11. : 4:47 pm] TiKels -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: TiKels I don't think that means what you think it means. I am making an analogy to the skinner box experiment, wherein it was demonstrated that attempting to push a button (shout button) on a perceptively random schedule (whether someone breaks sen) to get a reward (put out my opinion). It seems like an apt comparison to me[2017-6-11. : 4:46 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Broflamingo What do you mean by "there is should a study..." When talking about these issues people ask the wrong question. When Institutional racism/systemic racism literally affect every facet of life to some extent, its time to stop trying to fix things in isolation and look at the root cause. Meaning, you can fix say school choice, without actually addressing the racism that underlines it.[2017-6-11. : 4:45 pm] TiKels -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: TiKels I don't think that means what you think it means. I am making an anno[2017-6-11. : 4:44 pm] TiKels -- My absolute least favorite part about racism is the fact that the damn language surrounding the word is so poorly constructed. Everything is piled under one word[2017-6-11. : 4:44 pm] lil-Inferno -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Shoutbox is just an accidental skinner box I don't think that means what you think it means.[2017-6-11. : 4:44 pm] TiKels -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: TiKels At every step of the way weather it be institutional racism or flat out racism. There is should a study on how the variable 'R' (Racism) affects economic wealth accumulation for these groups. Variable 'R' affects EVERYTHING housing choices, school choices, job prospects, political outlook e.t.c TiKels Yessir. What do you mean by "there is should a study..."[2017-6-11. : 4:43 pm] Moose -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I don't know what to tell you. I hit shout and nothing happens. I hit it again nothing happens. Reload the page, paste text, hit shout, nothing happens Tru, maybe someone did a search or something LMAO[2017-6-11. : 4:43 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Families in low income/bad situations have trouble offering the resources to their children to allow them to succeed financially, making low income tend to breed more low income. Due to historical racism in the US, many families ended up poor, and discouraged from becowing rich, due to the aforementioned inertia of lack of ability to help them succeed At every step of the way weather it be institutional racism or flat out racism. There is should a study on how the variable 'R' (Racism) affects economic wealth accumulation for these groups. Variable 'R' affects EVERYTHING housing choices, school choices, job prospects, political outlook e.t.c TiKelsTiKels shouted: Broflamingo I never said racism doesn't play a role. I just said the racism of the past is different or possible just distinct in some way Yessir.[2017-6-11. : 4:42 pm] TiKels -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: TiKels It does not, fucking please fam. I don't know what to tell you. I hit shout and nothing happens. I hit it again nothing happens. Reload the page, paste text, hit shout, nothing happens[2017-6-11. : 4:41 pm] TiKels -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: TiKels Racism plays a role: look at gentrification and redlining, this were not organic situations: they were deployed by federal and local governments to keep blacks, mexicans, jews out of the main driver of American wealth...homeownership I never said racism doesn't play a role. I just said the racism of the past is different or possible just distinct in some way[2017-6-11. : 4:41 pm] Moose -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: No staredit.net wouldn't let me send for 33 minutes It does not, fucking please fam.[2017-6-11. : 4:40 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Families in low income/bad situations have trouble offering the resources to their children to allow them to succeed financially, making low income tend to breed more low income. Due to historical racism in the US, many families ended up poor, and discouraged from becowing rich, due to the aforementioned inertia of lack of ability to help them succeed Racism plays a role: look at gentrification and redlining, this were not organic situations: they were deployed by federal and local governments to keep blacks, mexicans, jews out of the main driver of American wealth...homeownership[2017-6-11. : 4:39 pm] TiKels -- This leads to a small percentage of low income children able to break the cycle consistently[2017-6-11. : 4:38 pm] TiKels -- Families in low income/bad situations have trouble offering the resources to their children to allow them to succeed financially, making low income tend to breed more low income. Due to historical racism in the US, many families ended up poor, and discouraged from becowing rich, due to the aforementioned inertia of lack of ability to help them succeed[2017-6-11. : 4:36 pm] Broflamingo -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: I may not be broflamingo, but I believe that the statement goes something like this ....  [2017-6-11. : 4:05 pm] TiKels -- I may not be broflamingo, but I believe that the statement goes something like this ....[2017-6-11. : 3:58 pm] Broflamingo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Broflamingo Are you saying black people cannot become rich and thus they become jealous of whites which turns into racism - and whites are generally more wealthy and thus look down upon blacks, also creating racism? I sure hope not, because that'd be a prime example of racist thinking. BROWNAGE.[2017-6-11. : 3:45 pm] jjf28 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno http://i.imgur.com/GSixc5N.png  [2017-6-11. : 3:42 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: or how much he spammed http://i.imgur.com/GSixc5N.png |
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