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[2017-8-03. : 10:43 pm]  Ashamed -- reselling software no matter how you do it.. is hard to say they are modding something for personal use ha..[2017-8-03. : 10:41 pm] Ashamed -- Thee is no way in hell any company can go after you no matter the eula. I just dont see it holding up.[2017-8-03. : 10:41 pm] Ashamed -- I am talking about buying software editing the code and perhaps showing your friend said code... Not selling it at all.[2017-8-03. : 10:41 pm]  Voyager7456 -- Vernor didn't claim to have modified the software at all? They claimed it was completely unopened.[2017-8-03. : 10:40 pm] Ashamed -- Now with a picture you can put a black box over something and then call it your own.. because the orginal artwork isn't really there... but with software its prob hard to prove something like this[2017-8-03. : 10:39 pm] Ashamed -- That case the person pretty much was trying to say he changed the orginal product enough so they could sell it.. With software that is prob hard to prove..[2017-8-03. : 10:39 pm] Voyager7456 -- The court's ruling didn't say anything about money needing to be involved. In fact they specifically mentioned how it could impact non-profit organizations like libraries.[2017-8-03. : 10:38 pm] Ashamed -- That case the person was redistrubiting it.. Which I can see being sticky with software.. Its not like a satire - You could change code and still have it functinally the same.[2017-8-03. : 10:37 pm] Ashamed -- Where there is no money involved and a company sued someone for editing software they bought.[2017-8-03. : 10:37 pm] Voyager7456 -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Voyager7456 it wont I assure you. Liek I said show me one court case and I will say you are right. I already linked a case where the court ruled that the first sale doctrine didn't apply to software licensing.[2017-8-03. : 10:36 pm] Ashamed -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Ashamed A company is definitely more likely to go after you if you're commercializing it. But that doesn't change the fact that if you're modding for personal use, you're still violating the EULA and there's precedent to suggest it will hold up in court... it wont I assure you. Liek I said show me one court case and I will say you are right.[2017-8-03. : 10:36 pm] Voyager7456 -- Obviously given that I'm a fervent advocate for modding, idgaf[2017-8-03. : 10:35 pm] Voyager7456 -- AshamedAshamed shouted: I keep saying personal use on purpose.. Yeah you start trying to commercialize something that then of course company will come after you. A company is definitely more likely to go after you if you're commercializing it. But that doesn't change the fact that if you're modding for personal use, you're still violating the EULA and there's precedent to suggest it will hold up in court...[2017-8-03. : 10:33 pm] Ashamed -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: Ashamed In theory you could have stored the entire mod in EUD triggers. The Koreans did some amazing shit with those This would be a case where technically I could see some copyright law holding in court - but is it worth it to blizzard prob not.[2017-8-03. : 10:32 pm] Voyager7456 -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: Ashamed In theory you could have stored the entire mod in EUD triggers. The Koreans did some amazing shit with those There was also Shadowflare's SCMLoader that would load mod files from a map.[2017-8-03. : 10:32 pm] Ashamed -- I keep saying personal use on purpose.. Yeah you start trying to commercialize something that then of course company will come after you.[2017-8-03. : 10:32 pm] Voyager7456 -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Yeah most likely the person that was brought to court made personal gains out of the case. AshamedAshamed shouted: yeah that person for sure sold the software after editing Sure, but their ruling doesn't hinge on the fact that you personally profit from it.[2017-8-03. : 10:31 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Pr0nogo I was just saying if you could some how figure it out ha. In theory you could have stored the entire mod in EUD triggers. The Koreans did some amazing shit with those[2017-8-03. : 10:30 pm] Ashamed -- Yeah most likely the person that was brought to court made personal gains out of the case.[2017-8-03. : 10:29 pm] Ashamed -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Ashamed Voyager7456 Voyager7456 I am saying it doesn't matter ha... I dont care if they say that in some agreement. Its like a painter saying you cant cover up their art after you purchase it[2017-8-03. : 10:29 pm] Voyager7456 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernor_v._Autodesk,_Inc. 9th Circuit held that the first-sale doctrine didn't apply in the case of Autodesk's licensing. So there's precedent.[2017-8-03. : 10:28 pm] Voyager7456 -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Voyager7456 I am saying they can't... First sale is going to protect the consumer against any bogus EULA/Agreement Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Ashamed First Sale is murky when it comes to this kind of stuff - a lot of EULAs specifically mention that you don't own the software, rather you own a license to use the software. Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: SC's license agreement appears to be along those lines. [2017-8-03. : 10:27 pm] Ashamed -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Ashamed this isn't possible since mods aren't like map files, and must be downloaded externally from the game itself I was just saying if you could some how figure it out ha.[2017-8-03. : 10:27 pm] Pr0nogo -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Now modding something and then using battlenet to distribute said mod.. I could see that as being a gray area. this isn't possible since mods aren't like map files, and must be downloaded externally from the game itself[2017-8-03. : 10:27 pm] Ashamed -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Ashamed Whether they are *going* to and whether they *can* are two entirely different things I am saying they can't... First sale is going to protect the consumer against any bogus EULA/Agreement [2017-8-03. : 10:26 pm] Voyager7456 -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Pr0nogo I was not talking about pirating. I was talking about purchasing said software and modding it for personal use. I don't care what their terms say they are not going to sue you. The rights I mention trumps any agreement they may create. I would like you to show me one example of someone being sued for modding something for personal use Whether they are *going* to and whether they *can* are two entirely different things [2017-8-03. : 10:26 pm] Ashamed -- Now modding something and then using battlenet to distribute said mod.. I could see that as being a gray area.[2017-8-03. : 10:25 pm] Ashamed -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: and untenable in court Aw - Then we are on the same page ha.[2017-8-03. : 10:24 pm] Pr0nogo -- i know what you were talking, I was responding by saying that piracy lawsuits seem equally as frivolous[2017-8-03. : 10:24 pm] Ashamed -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: Ashamed i don't think someone pirating a program would hold up in court either I was not talking about pirating. I was talking about purchasing said software and modding it for personal use. I don't care what their terms say they are not going to sue you. The rights I mention trumps any agreement they may create. I would like you to show me one example of someone being sued for modding something for personal use[2017-8-03. : 10:21 pm] Voyager7456 -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Voy is pink now? Da fak? I think I'm more of a purple[2017-8-03. : 10:20 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- I learned about a new C++ syntax feature at work today... you can do try catch in a constructor, e.g. Foo::Foo( void ) try : Bar() { ; } catch (... ) { }[2017-8-03. : 10:19 pm] Voyager7456 -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Voyager7456 Look up the First Sale Doctrine. You can do whatever you want with the game (besides copying it). The EULAs you have to read before installing any game? They don't stand up in court. You don't own the IP when you buy a game, but you can do whatever you want with the game itself. Sure I am guessing they could take said person to court, but if you prove you have not sold and or used their service.. I feel like it would hold too much weight in Court. First Sale is murky when it comes to this kind of stuff - a lot of EULAs specifically mention that you don't own the software, rather you own a license to use the software.[2017-8-03. : 10:12 pm] Pr0nogo -- AshamedAshamed shouted: Voyager7456 Look up the First Sale Doctrine. You can do whatever you want with the game (besides copying it). The EULAs you have to read before installing any game? They don't stand up in court. You don't own the IP when you buy a game, but you can do whatever you want with the game itself. Sure I am guessing they could take said person to court, but if you prove you have not sold and or used their service.. I feel like it would hold too much weight in Court. i don't think someone pirating a program would hold up in court either[2017-8-03. : 9:55 pm] jjf28 -- thekianthekian shouted: Suicidal Insanity -Blizzard, 2017, working on SC: Remastered thinking they have code  [2017-8-03. : 9:47 pm] Ashamed -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Pr0nogo thekian Ashamed It's against the EULA. Granted, there are plenty of EULAs that don't hold up in court, but I don't think anyone has challenged this particular one. So you're just assuming that it's not illegal. Look up the First Sale Doctrine. You can do whatever you want with the game (besides copying it). The EULAs you have to read before installing any game? They don't stand up in court. You don't own the IP when you buy a game, but you can do whatever you want with the game itself. Sure I am guessing they could take said person to court, but if you prove you have not sold and or used their service.. I feel like it would hold too much weight in Court.[2017-8-03. : 9:39 pm] Voyager7456 -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: thekian then you won't get far with modding since it's illegal LMAO thekianthekian shouted: Pr0nogo Technically we can argue no. AshamedAshamed shouted: thekian I agree. You buy the code you can do whatever you want with it. As long as you don't sale it and or connect to their servers which have certain guidelines. It's against the EULA. Granted, there are plenty of EULAs that don't hold up in court, but I don't think anyone has challenged this particular one. So you're just assuming that it's not illegal. [2017-8-03. : 9:35 pm] Voyager7456 -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Dem0n GPU mining probs LMAO tru[2017-8-03. : 9:32 pm] Ashamed -- thekianthekian shouted: Pr0nogo Technically we can argue no. I agree. You buy the code you can do whatever you want with it. As long as you don't sale it and or connect to their servers which have certain guidelines.[2017-8-03. : 9:28 pm] thekian -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: Haven't touched the code in 10-15 years and its ... umm... meh -Blizzard, 2017, working on SC: Remastered[2017-8-03. : 9:28 pm] thekian -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: thekian then you won't get far with modding since it's illegal LMAO Technically we can argue no.[2017-8-03. : 9:13 pm] Ashamed -- They are sending another tech with a GB modem and they assure me that is the issue.... I really am not sure ha.[2017-8-03. : 9:12 pm] Ashamed -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Ashamed What happens if they don't deliver on the guarantee? Errrg moose. After hours of fighting with them - They finally got my modem working. I am seeing 80/1000... They say its because I have a docsis3.0 instead of 3.1... but my modem has channel bonding up to like 350[2017-8-03. : 8:49 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Haven't touched the code in 10-15 years and its ... umm... meh [2017-8-03. : 8:48 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Menu/command IDs => ID; Controls => IDC; This is the list of reasons why a map isn't compatible with the current save format[2017-8-03. : 8:15 pm] Pr0nogo -- thekianthekian shouted: I generally prefer not to, you know, break the law. then you won't get far with modding since it's illegal LMAO[2017-8-03. : 7:40 pm]  Moose -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: How the fucc is a card I bought 13 months ago for $240 gonna cost $450 now ;_; GPU mining probs LMAO[2017-8-03. : 7:13 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- thekianthekian shouted: Are there any programs that will run length encode a bitmap? Write a 20 line program?  [2017-8-03. : 7:01 pm] Ashamed -- thekianthekian shouted: I generally prefer not to, you know, break the law. oh I generally prefer not to, you know, abide the laws. |
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